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I do not know when the switch was official. I looked at some of my old neckerchiefs from back in the day. These are summer staff ones from the late 40's. They are 32" square. Some are 33" and 34" square. Most have only one emblem, but a few have an emblem or patch on oppostite corners. A few from 50's are square, but made up of two different colour triangles, so folded one way they are red, but another are white. The only issue I can remember is that it was alot of fabric wrapped around the neck - but that was the style then - worn over the collar, as opposed to folding the collar under, or worn under the collar. They are all cotton, so they absorbed sweat.

My neckerchiefs from the 60's are all triangle - so my guess is that the switch gradually happened during the 50's - but that is unofficial.

The two near Asheville, NC have group discouts. Many scouts use these. Catalooche - west of Asheville, and Wolf Laurel - north of Asheville.

Both have group discounts for rental and lift and include a free lesson for first time skiers.

While neither have the length and breath of the West - they offer some good beginning and intermediate runs. Both have full snow machine coverage, depending on the temperature. Cataloochee even made snow last weekend ( it melted by Monday )

Another one is Woodruff Scout Reservation. 1900 acres in the North Georgia Mountains

(www.atlantabsa.org ). There were Louisiana Troops there most every week last year.

And here I thought that these were the lyrics to an Emerson Lake and Palmer song all this time.

A bit of humour from another forum:

Q: How many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

1 to move it to the Lighting section

2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, just to add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again

Lord Rowallan was Chief Scout of the Commonwealth and Empire from 1945 until he retired in 1959. His given name was Thomas Godrey Polson Corbett, and he assumed the peerage title of Lord when his father died in 1933. He was born in 1895 and died in 1977. He was a military man in the British army.

He took over the chief scout position after Lord Somers. Lord Somers was chief scout from 1941 until his death in 1944.

Lord Somers took over after Lord Baden-Powell of Gilwell died. Baden-Powell of Gilwell was chief scout from 1908 thru 1941

I'll try something different - I'll address the topic of the thread.

To recap, for those not familiar with the situation in the Atlanta Area Council: For several years, DE's in the city districts have overstated troop and individual numbers. It is unfortunate, but it is a fact. This came to light last spring. An auditing firm was asked to review numbers, and confirmed this. The scout executive was asked to resign, which he did. An interim executive was brought in over the summer. The Atlanta Area Council hired a new executive in August, and his first day on the job is today.

The council recognized the problem, the head of the organization resigned ( it happened on his watch ) and new leadership has been brought in to complete the reorganization.

Atlanta, like other large metropolitan areas, struggles with ways to effectively bring scouting to innercity youth. Simply put, there is a lack of adult involvement. Many of the scoutmasters are paid professionals. While scouting is 'boy lead' it requires dedicated adults to deliver an effective program.

It is difficult, but sometimes necessary, to consolidate your assets.

The Pacific Harbors Council has 4 camps:

Camp Hahobas - 600 acres: Boy Scout camp

Camp Thunderbird - 200 acres: Boy Scout camp

Camp Delezenne - 80 acres: day camp, weekend

Camp Kilworth - 25 acres: day camp, weekend

As a business decision, it just may not be financially feasible to maintain all 4 camps at the appropriate level - especially one that the council does not own.

Well, from what I remember, we didn't carry much. You lay down a poncho, or tarp, or shelter half - then lay down a blanket or two (or sleeping bag). A extra shirt or pants would go on the ends ( not the middle ) and the extra part of the tarp that was not covering the blanket would be folded over - sort of making a pocket. Then it would be rolled up - as tight as possible - lengthwise. You would tie the ends and the middle. You wouldn't put much in the middle ( which was over your shoulder ) because you wanted that part to be as thin as possible. If you didn't fold over the ends right then stuff would fall out. You didn't tie the ends together too tight, but had a little string between them.

As far as cooking equipment - we didn't have that much - most had scout or old army cook kits. Canteens were carried over the shoulder. Some kids had haversacks, and carried their sleeping bags in the horseshoe fashion. Some also had 'newspaper bag' style bags - which was basically a small bag, with a long strap, that was carried over the shoulder - sort of like the messenger bags that were used today. You would carry the bag over one shoulder, and the bedroll over the other. Stuff that wasn't in your pockets (like food) was carried in the bag. Generally on a hike, stuff fell out - and the guys towards the back would pick it up and give it back to you at rest stops. Also, the open bags were a temptation to put in rocks in other guys bags.

No sleeping pads or stoves or things like that - we just gathered pine straw to sleep on, cooked over fires, buried our trash (cans) and drank water directly from streams. Of course, this was all before 'Leave no Trace".

Tenting was either under the stars around the campfire ( most guys sleeping bags had a few small burn holes from sparks after a few campouts ) or shelter halfs - which were canvas half tents that you would button together.

If you're in the North Georgia Mountains, then Woodruff Scout Reservation is the one to check out. 1900 acres - staff size is 140, almost half are college age. They run a 9 week program with over 50 merit badges and a great deal of non-merit badge open troop activity periods.

The Atlanta Area Council has spent over 7 million upgrading the facilities over the past 3 years.

It looks similar to the interpreter strip, and is worn above the left pocket.

These are the Philmont Guidelines, which are the same as the Guide To Safe Scouting Guidelines for coed overnight activities.

I've used the term advisor, meaning adult leader. Even though both leaders must be over 21, technically only one must be a registered member of the BSA for standard co-ed actitities. Philmont guidelines are that both leaders be BSA registered with current Youth Protection Training.

To clarify

Coed Venturing crews must have at least one male and one female advisor - both of whom are 21 or older.

If an 18 year old venture female wants to attend Philmont - she must have a 21 year old female go as an advisor, regardless of the fact that her father is the Venture Crew Leader.

Both male/female advisors must go en route and while hiking the trails. Philmont staff cannot provide staff to meet these guidelines.

So if you want to go with your Dad's crew - you've got to find a 21 year old female to go with you - no exceptions.

As to signing up as an ASM and finding a troop somewhere to go with, that's another question.

the answer is probably no

Coed overnight acivitites require male and female leaders, both of whom must be 21 years of age or older

I answered my own question. It used an old sea chanty of sorts. The music was "A life on the Ocean Wave" by Henry Russell. This link should have a sample. It gives you the basic rythmns. The song was song using the chanty part

http://www.pdmusic.org/russell.html

what are the first few words to the "Boy Scout Patrol Song" ? I know some pretty old songs, but I can't remember one by that name. I may know it by another name. Some of the old ones are:

The Scout Company

Hail Scouting Spirit

Hi Ho for Scouting

Scout Marching Song

etc....

As an aside, there's another way to lash the pole part of the flagpole, which makes a tighter lash. I'll try to describe it.

Make a loop of rope, about 2 foot or so ( just tie a piece of rope with a square know ). The concept is to make a tourniquet of sorts around where you want to join the poles. Double the circle, wrap

it around the pole, until you have a a few inches left, insert a small stick into the two ends of the circle and twist, like a tourniquet, then tie off the stick. I probably haven't described it too well, but this method produces a very quick and tight lash.

I'm aware this is not the official BSA way, and is not as decribed in the manual, and in no way is meant to replace official BSA policy. It is just to show another way of making a flagpole lashing.

If you're in the Western Region, theres an NCS session May 21-27 at Camp Tracy, Utah. Don't know if this is what you're looking for or not.

There's a Southern Region sesson May 21 -27 at Camp Cherokee, Athens, Texas

Does anyone know any details about this badge ? It is worn on the right sleeve, below the patrol patch. The only information I can get is that it is worm if a member of a band or drum corp. I have also seen reference to it being worn as part of a bugle corp

Has anyone ever had a band corp in their troop and had them wear these?

What constitutes a band corp? 3 trumpets that play at courts of honor? Who decides?

Is it left on after the corp has gone somewhat inactive?

If anyone has any details, I would like to hear them?

Thanks

To answer the eagle required question - 21 merit badges total in the late 60's. Required were camping, cit in community and nation, soil and water conservation, cooking, first aid, lifesaving, nature, personal fitness, swimming.

I cannot speak to this particular bag, but please keep in mind that most bags are rated based on a "sleeping bag system" of using a bag and a closed cell pad. Your main heat loss is thru the bottom - due to the compression material being compressed, and the contact with the cold ground causing a thermal reduction and heat transfer. Your second main heat loss it thru the head, at night, if uncovered.

To compensate: Use a closed cell pad underneath a bag. Use a flannel bag insert ( available at most stores - Walmart, etc. as a stand alone flannel bag for under $ 20. Sleep with loose wool socks and a simple wool hat.

Dates as follows:

April 2-8 Philmont, NM

May 14-20 Camp Garonimo, AZ

May 21-27 Camp Tracy, UT

May 28-June 3 Medicine Mt, SD

June 11-17 Lost Valley, CA

June 16-24 Camp Pigott, WA

Not all areas are available at all sessions

Temporary. If worn, it goes on the centered on the right pocket of the uniform shirt

in addition to the other comments, I would drop mammal study and put in first aid for 1st year

in addition to the other comments, I would drop mammal study and put in first aid for 1st year