BeaverIII

Chief Thundercloud,

To quote Frank Catton (Bernie Mac) in Ocean's Thirteen.

"...nuff said"

BeaverIII

"Hope so, I know a man that would fail at trustworthy, loyal and reverent. In front of Scouts"

What????

To answer your question the Chartered Organization approves all adult leaders and the Scoutmaster works for the CO. However

Ya know theres an old saying. Be careful what you wish forfor you may surely get it.

Im a little confused about your posting. You say you want to help your son and others "advance to the best potential. Does that mean you want your son and the other boys to advance in rank as far as they can, even as far as Eagle Scout? Or does it mean that you want to help deliver the promise of Scouting using the aims and methods, one of which is advancement. As Beavah put it so well in another thread; advancement is part of the game with a purpose, not a purpose unto itself. After all one boys best potential is not the same as his peer.

Im also curious as to why you feel that you are the best person to help these boys. I get the feeling that there is information that you are UNWILLING to share about the troop.

Curious. Why would witnessing "Man Scouts" with Wood Badge regalia prompt this question?

BeaverIII

GW wrote...

"Why can't people just read the law and go with that? Sheesh!"

Because that would require effort. It's the dazzle-baffle principle.

OneHour2

I agree with BW completely, resign; state your reasons and copy the SE. Odds are good the SE isn't aware of what the DE has done OR the DE is taking credit for finding this person.

I hate to sound jaded but...

BeaverIII

OGE wrote

"...because of the number of PM's I received asking me to delete a thread that did deal with the specifics of the game."

What diffrence does it make? One can Google "Win All You Can" and come up with the specifics of the game. If a thread can be deleted because others don't want to see it discussed than this ceases to be a forum where ideas, opinions and information may be discussed freely and openly.

Wally Hymel

One Hour

Eagletrek wrote:

"Oh yeah, one last thing!!!!! Put those folks with the beads around their necks to work."

Have you or anyone associated with RT asked them? My experience is that most Scouters (with or without beads) will help with RT when asked, however the CS or BS RT Commissioner or SOMEONE should ask.

BeaverIII

Bobwhites!! They make good gumbo!!! (tongue in cheek smile)

I used to be a Beaver

A good old Beaver too

And now Im finished Beavering

I dont know what to do.

Im growing OLD and feeble

And I can GNAW no more

So Im going to work my ticket if I can.

Back to Gilwell; happy land.

Im going to work my ticket if I can.

Gnarly Beavers

SR-119

Where are the Eagles?

"But it also has a high probability of flopping"

As I recall, that's what the original poster (Goofy) was trying to avoid. I have to agree with BW that NOTHING has been posted in either thread that revealed the purpose of the game or revealed what the take away message should be.

That someone was able to glean that from the comments posted in either thread is incredulous.

BeaverIII

In order, bottom to top,

Arrow of Light

Parvuli Dei

Medal of Merit

District Committee Key

Silver Pretzel (DAM)

Silver Beaver

From the BSA website

Only five medals may be worn at a time pinned in a single row immediately above the seam of the left pocket. Knots are worn above the left pocket in rows of three. The order of wearing of medals and knots is at the discretion of the wearer. It is suggested that the medal or knot deemed most important by the wearer be worn on his or her own right. Embroidered knots are representative of pin-on medals or around-the-neck awards and are designed for the convenience of the wearer.

http://www.scouting.org/media/insigniaguide/10K.aspx

All very interesting observations. I live in New Orleans where we have a little bit of experience with parades. When I was a Den Leader my boys participated every year in a Mardi Gras parade through a neighborhood. Some groups walked, some rode. The parade organizers had specific and irrevocable rules for towed floats, i.e., size, safety considerations, transport and so on. I, along with the other parents, was able to construct a float on a 4x6 utility trailer with outboard wheels that was extremely safe for the boys and parade watchers. In addition parade rules required each float have adult walkers (adult defined as over 18 years) posted by the front wheels of the tow vehicle, midway where the tow vehicle and trailer connect and at the back of the trailer. The mid point walkers and the back walkers carried a rope attached to the back of the tow vehicle which was held a minimum of 3 feet from the sides of the float and went past the end of the float. We rode in this event for 4 years and when my Cubs went into a troop I stayed with the parade committee for 5 more years as the safety officer. We never had a mishap and the kids always had a great time. It can be done safely with some forethought and attention to detail.

You alluded to a scout is Thrifty; maybe, but IMHO Helpful comes to mind first along with Trustworthy and Loyal.

BeaverIII

John,

Going back to the original topic of this thread.

Its nice to know someone else out there has the same mindset. Who could have seen that two little wooden beads on a leather bootlace could do so much good and yet cause so much controversy? Wood Badge is about so much more than the beads. I believe its about leadership, commitment, personal growth, heart connections and making an impact on Scouting.

Isnt that what NYLT is about as well?

Wally Hymel (BeaverIII)

Course Director SR-957

This is the first time I've ever heard of this. My gut feeling is its a local "policy" one of those Scouting/Wood Badge legends that pop up from time to time. I am directing our next WB course and I have 2 participants from our last course who did not finish for personal reasons. I know that one, maybe both have plans to attend the next course.

BeaverIII

Lisa-Bob

Who May Attend Wood Badge?

To attend a Wood Badge course, Scouters must:

2. Have not previously attended a Wood Badge course, completed a Wood Badge ticket and received Wood Badge beads.

There is a caveat as well for leaders who have attended WB in the past may attend 21CWB as long as they (1) agree to write and work a 21CWB ticket and (2) agree mot to wear WB beads until satisfactory completion of the 21CWB ticket.

From the 2008 Administrative Guide; Wood Badge for the 21st Century.

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BeaverIII

SR540Beaver

Thanks for the LOL. ;0)

BeaverIII

Very interesting topic. Just 1 question. Is Wood Badge just about "the beads"?

Wally Hymel

Course Director

SR-957

March '09

Lisabobs suggestion is an excellent idea. If you decide to attend Wood Badge (and I hope you do) your ticket should be exactly that: YOUR ticket. Dont fall in to the trap that because you have been to Wood Badge that you will be expected to take on District and Council responsibilities. If you are member of a troop you would make that the focus of your ticket.

The skills that you will learn in Wood Badge are designed to work across ALL levels of Scouting. Those folks who work on a District level (as I do) can use them just as those folks who are in units.

Talk to other Wood Badgers in your area to glean how they worked it out. If you know who the course director is going to be, talk to that person and let them know your concerns. Wood Badge is certainly worth attending and the skills presented will allow you to help your unit to excel.

Good luck and good Scouting!

BeaverIII

I'm "borrowing" this topic from Mrs. Eagle 515. As an upcoming course director I would like to know what made your course special and or memorable. I would like to hear from participants and staffers.If you have served on a staff and have something that worked really well, I'd love to hear it.

Looking forward to your responses.

BeaverIII

Bayou Beaver wrote:

"For the same price I could do two family camping trips and we don't have to wait in line for 40 minutes to shoot a BB gun for 5 minutes."

Possibly. Since I am making the assumption you attended Cub World with your Cub Scout son-what did he think? As adults its hard for us to let go and see things the way kids do. Yes, 50 bucks is a lot of dough but sometimes its hard to put a price on what you and he got out of it. I'm not saying the cost was justified, however if he had a good time and you've managed to salvage some memories-despite the rain and the long lines-50 bucks is a small price to pay.

So keep on Scouting and providing the best program you can.

Not in your distict but not far away.

BeaverIII

ASM Troop Guides SR-912

hot foot eagle wrote "..I am, however, left with the impression that WB is entry-level training for those who know that they are going to be lifers, as opposed to the capstone of a long scouting career."

Curious-why do you feel WB should be the capstone of a long career? When we train WB we reach acroos al levels of Scouting. Is it possible that if we give them the skills and tools of WB early that adult leader retention would be higher. The "you'll get to do that someday" mentality and attitude is what drove Scouters in my council to never attend WB no matter how great we all said it was. Now that 21CWB welcomes all with open arms and smiles and has the mentality of "come see what we have to offer", more people are being trained and kids are being better served. Remember that narrow frame of reference called "youth"? Thats the ultimate reason for Wood Badge.

BeaverIII