Nike

Insurance? Wearing uniform is about Esprit de Coprs (please excuse my french spelling LOL).

I am for wearing uniform from and to camp, other events and all.

Got Class A's, Class B's and C's. (I wore the Centennial with basic patches as Class B and a full patched brown button old school as Class A).

I was one of the nerds who would wear his cub or scout uniform to school for class picture day 8-)

 

But this gruesome world sometimes has other plans: BSA TAC Packs/Troops are advised not to wear the Uniform Shirt in public in europe due to the Flag.

We got a terror warning before heading out to summer camp not to appear like 'mericans.

Committee member who relayed the message from the embassy was wearing a t shirt with eagle & flag at the time *facepalm* (she cool though. stubborn LOL).

 

When I took the cubs out to the world money fair it was also a no-uniforms activity.

Sort of sad if we can only wear our shirts locked up & out of sight if overseas.

 

Mind you on the way back from summer camp we spent a night at the new Camp Bayern in the army barracks (as in: we didnt sleep in the BSA camp site but the boys got a couple of rooms as the soldiers had left a couple of buildings empty). I love reveille in the morning and I only ever feel safe if I know all my scouts are behind barbed wire ^o^

 

Around Kandersteg and the International Scout Center you can take the public transport for free if you wear your necker.

 

In NZ uniforms are worn at all meetings, to and from camp. At camp t shirts with neckers is ok. (They just got new shirts, until 2011 the NZ Uniform was scout polo shirts, no pockets or anything)

It depends on your council. I was accused of being discriminatory when I refused to allow a man who spent 18 months in prison for embezzlement to be the Pack treasurer. Council said he paid his debt to society and he could not be denied.

It would have gone Republican if current Lt Gov Bill Bolling had been the R's candidate. Virginians don't like fringe. Most people voted less for a candidate and more against the other.

BD, I've gotten the same response from other DEs.

Sometime in the next year one of those Scouts is going to be the "adult."

Interesing comments. I curious, how you all feel about the IRS being used to target certian groups and individuals that don't agree with the politics of power? You know what I mean.

Only when it comes to your sibling's excruciatingly vivid retelling of your most embarrassing moment ever.

Nike commented:

 

"How would you implement the First Class Journey in this day and age?"

 

You mean in the "day and age" of Bruce Tuckman Wood Badge?

 

For Webelos III Troops, the same way the Patrol Hike is implemented in Wood Badge: In a Boy Scout camp if necessary.

 

One reluctant Baden-Powell Scouting association implemented my compromise "Shadow Party" of older Scouts or Scouters that tracked them at a distance through rough territory. If the Scouts undergoing the Journey needed to interact with the Shadow Party in any way, the Journey was cancelled.

First Class is definitely, in my mind, the goal of every Scout. Just look at the requirements. Very few have changed since the beginning...

 

The most important First Class requirement is missing: The First Class Journey.

 

Therefore the BSA's outdoor requirements are designed to get Cub Scout survivors to Eagle without ever walking into the woods with packs on their backs.

 

For a while, Hillcourt's Patrol Leader Training got Patrols out into the woods without adult helicopters, but in 1972 Wood Badge replaced it with Troop Method training called "Leadership Development."

 

Therefore the BSA's leadership skills requirements are designed to get Cub Scout survivors to Eagle without ever walking into the woods with a Patrol at their backs.

 

 

 

 

Why don't you ask them what their thinking is since the weekend has been planned assuming their full participation? They may have rented the cabins so that after the campfire, they shuffle on home and get some sleep while the older boys stay up. Maybe they aren't as confidant of their WEBS foul weather experience and want a place to get them warm and dry fast. Maybe one of them has a medical or physical condition that makes it just easier to be in a cabin. Maybe it's their last hurrah as den parents. Ask.

Whatever is "actually" going to come of this will be a mess. IF, instead of spending the last three years trying to get rid of it we had studied the likely issues and changed things, while still holding to the supposed intent, then maybe we could be in a better position. Those who think the system worked before must live in a fantasy world. That we continue to be at the mercy of the Insurance Industry is the real problem. What makes our society different from most of the world is simply that we seem to think basic medical care is not enough. Much of what we insist we need is expensive and beyond most people's reach anyway. Prices have gone up exponentially "before" this particular fiasco. I was uninsured other than basic VA (fortunate in that regard) once I lost my job due to downsizing until Medicare kicked in. We also add to the problem by allowing the Lawyers to constantly hover and threaten, making doctors afraid to NOT do another test or treatment, even when they know it is not needed. Somehow you have to deal with the indigent who need basic care; right now that is through emergency centers. And since they have to treat, those of us that are more fortunate pay more.

 

So, all of you that keep screaming how terrible it is, please find an actual solution that is equitable to ALL. Some things are simply necessary, and dealing with them by taxes or similar government involvement is really the only way to be sure it happens. Take the profit motive out of the health industry and you have half the fix. Put limits back on the pharmaceutical industry such as no public advertising, and restricting their strangle hold on supply and costs go down. Let doctors be doctors, not paper pushers; and find a way to have family practitioners be the norm, rather than specialists.

 

Of course, all of this is just way too hard to do; it might require a little bit of "Common Sense". But of course that is no longer found in most of our public theater, and is quickly disappearing from even the average person's lives.

We are going to be in a world of hurt in about twenty years due to the lack of pharmaceutical research today, because that's how long it takes to get the average drug from thought to pharmacist.

Whatever is "actually" going to come of this will be a mess. IF, instead of spending the last three years trying to get rid of it we had studied the likely issues and changed things, while still holding to the supposed intent, then maybe we could be in a better position. Those who think the system worked before must live in a fantasy world. That we continue to be at the mercy of the Insurance Industry is the real problem. What makes our society different from most of the world is simply that we seem to think basic medical care is not enough. Much of what we insist we need is expensive and beyond most people's reach anyway. Prices have gone up exponentially "before" this particular fiasco. I was uninsured other than basic VA (fortunate in that regard) once I lost my job due to downsizing until Medicare kicked in. We also add to the problem by allowing the Lawyers to constantly hover and threaten, making doctors afraid to NOT do another test or treatment, even when they know it is not needed. Somehow you have to deal with the indigent who need basic care; right now that is through emergency centers. And since they have to treat, those of us that are more fortunate pay more.

 

So, all of you that keep screaming how terrible it is, please find an actual solution that is equitable to ALL. Some things are simply necessary, and dealing with them by taxes or similar government involvement is really the only way to be sure it happens. Take the profit motive out of the health industry and you have half the fix. Put limits back on the pharmaceutical industry such as no public advertising, and restricting their strangle hold on supply and costs go down. Let doctors be doctors, not paper pushers; and find a way to have family practitioners be the norm, rather than specialists.

 

Of course, all of this is just way too hard to do; it might require a little bit of "Common Sense". But of course that is no longer found in most of our public theater, and is quickly disappearing from even the average person's lives.

We are going to be in a world of hurt in about twenty years due to the lack of pharmaceutical research today, because that's how long it takes to get the average drug from thought to pharmacist.

I suspect that 200K scouts doing 500K nights means a lot of partially active scouts. Our Troop has 50-70 boys on paper but maybe 35 "core". I suspect our average is a lot lower than I would like.

I realize this thread is not about "backpack" cooking, but the idea of sedan chair carriable chuck/cook boxes and drive up and drop trailer camping always brings to mind my favorite article, which I give out at IOLS training, to wit, I present "Courageous Cookery" :

 

*(( The true author of this article is unknown. It is here copied from the COME HOSTELING newsletter, Sept. 1980, of the Potomac Area Council of the American Youth Hostels, who received it from Dick Schwanke, Senior PAC Staff Trainer, who read it in the APPALACHIAN HIKER by Ed Garvey, who got it from the Potomac Appalachian Trail Conference Bulletin, which quoted it from THE RAMBLER of the Wasatch Mountain Club of Salt Lake City, which reportedly cribbed it from the I.A.C. News of Idaho Falls, which reported it from the 1966 PEAKS & TRAILS. I offer it here for your enjoyment and inspiration. Note that some of the ingredients are a bit dated. Adjust as necessary. Enjoy!))

 

 

"Courageous Cookery" by John Echo*

Once the convert backpacker or cycle camper has accepted the subtle gustatory nuances associated with sustained operations beyond the chrome, he should try the advantages of ultra fringe living so that he will realize what he is paying for his nested pots and pretty pans carried so diligently and brought home so dirty after every "wilderness experience". The following system works. It is dependable and functional. It works on the big rock. It even works when the weather has gone to hell, you are wet and cold and the wind is blowing down the back of your hairy neck. It is not for the timid. It consists of a stove, a six inch sauce pan, a plastic cup and a soup spoon. If you insist on a metal cup, you must never fail to mutter "I'm having fun, I'm having fun", every time you spill the soup on your sleeping bag.

Breakfast: Instant wheat cereal-- sugar and powdered milk added-- ready two minutes after water boils. Eat from pot. Do not wash pot. Add water, boil, and add powdered eggs and ham. You'll never taste the cereal anyway. In three minutes, eat eggs. Do not wash pot. Add water or snow and boil for tea. Do not wash pot. Most of the residue eggs will come off in the tea water. Make it strong and add sugar. Tastes like tea. Do not wash pot. With reasonable technique, it should be clean. Pack pot in rucksack and enjoy last cup of tea while others are dirtying entire series of nested cookware.

Lunch: Boil pot of tea. Have snack of rye bread, cheese and dried beef Continue journey in 10 minutes if necessary.

Dinner: Boil pot of water, add Wylers dried vegetable soup and beef bar. Eat from pot. Do not wash pot. Add water and potatoes from dry potatoe powder. Add gravy mix to taste. Eat potatoes from pot. Do not wash pot. Add water and boil for tea. Fortuitous fish or meat can be cooked easily. You do not need oil or fat. Put half inch of water in pot. Add cleaned and salted fish. Do not let water boil away. Eat from pot when done. Process can be done rapidly. Fish can even be browned somewhat by a masterful hand.

Do not change menu. Variation only recedes from the optimum. Beginners may be allowed to wash pot once a day for three consecutive days only. It is obvious that burning or sticking food destroys the beauty of the technique. If you insist on carrying a heavier pack, make up the weight you save with extra food. Stay three days longer.

 

 

 

Seeking adventures outdoors » Utah’s three Scout councils contend extreme misbehavior is rare and goes against training. They note that nearly 200,000 Scouts in Utah spend about a half-million nights camping a year.

I sure wouldn't be bragging that my Scouts only spent on average 2.5 nights camping. Even if half are non-camping Cubbies, that's only an average of 5 nights a year. The real show of course is in the comments. Bring your fire resistant suit for reading, let alone participating.

Ya I am cynical......

 

We had a number of troops without packs associated and a number of packs without troops associated. It worked for the units and the boys, the boys would visit the unit and find one to their taste.

 

So what did our then DE do.......He created a number of new troops to associate directly with Packs that did not have them. End result three years later all of the troops with out packs directly associated with the troops are folding. We have lost three troops this year from this, the last unit folded Monday last week.

 

I can hear old Bando, In his best rah rah scout voice," Why didn't those lazy scouters go and create a Pack directly with their Troops?" Good question, Because every single school that could support a Pack did, and the Units that had multiple schools refused to give one up to a new unit.

 

 

So the DE screwed several 40 year old troops for greed. Sure he met his numbers, but the poor new guy, is hosed, with more units folding than that idiot created. What about all that local scouting history he flushed down the toilet.

 

I have had 4 DE's in the last 4 years, NONE of them has keep their word or delivered on the councils obligation to provide books and shirts as requested. I am not even going to get into the money one DE stole from me.

 

 

Buy you guys think it is great and fine....so be it. I know a number of retired scouters who would make fantastic DE's.

 

Life long scouters, these guys have 40 years in scouting and are completely selfless. They would do the job because they love it not because of a paycheck.

 

 

Scouting in this country is in big trouble, If you guys are too blind to see it I am sorry.

Instead of quitting your job, why not volunteer for your district or Council? The happiest DEs I know are the ones who have retired once and no longer have kids at home.

COPE, Climbing and how to run a camp. All nice skills to have but that does that teach the skills that make a better Scoutmaster?

 

What were the outdoors/scout skills that the old Woodbadge taught?

 

Before "leadership skills," the purpose of Wood Badge was to train Scoutmasters to how teach the best Patrol Leaders how to physically lead their Patrols into the backwoods. Scouts learned their skills from a "Patrol" Leader, not a "Troop" Guide!

 

Here is a Wood Badge participant's official "Wood Badge Training Notebook" from William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt's Wood Badge:

 

http://inquiry.net/traditional/wood_badge/index.htm

 

From VA and apparently should live in NM. Don't think so.

The amount of money raised is directly proportional to the effort put into it. This is one of the basic tenets of business. Either I set up a trap or I go out and beat the bushes. Everyone needs to decide how they are going to go about that.

 

The second tenet to consider is: Know your market. If one lives in an affluent community, maybe high-end popcorn is the ticket. But in a different neighborhood, those dynamics just aren't going to work. Get out there and market the neighborhoods. Find out what they want and then get it to them. Elderly neighborhood? How's about some snow shoveling, leaf raking, lawn mowing. Older homes may need winter storms put on. Maybe someone needs their house winterized. A 2 day job for them could be done in a couple of hours with enough hands on deck. Shopping for the shut ins? Sure, why not.

 

Oh, but that takes time, effort, and a major commitment. Yes it does. But do you want the money or not? Maybe it's time to seek out something more than the low-hanging fruit.

 

People are willing to pay for things that are necessary for them. Get off the sofa and out of the parlor and find out what that is and get it for them. It's a fundraiser for you, but it's a service project for them.

 

Stosh

You can't rely on service projects to bring in operating funds.

I cant understand how people cant differentiate between being social and sharing and full blown communism. There is a lot in between too ...

 

Base even posted twice by now that its not about hand outs.

 

Thing that gets me smirking and thinking:

when US Tax $ where given to Banks there wasnt as much of an outcry; try to help the sick and the country stops. Literally. Superpowershutdown.

Many, probably most, Americans don't want to see those with real medical need left out in the cold without care. However, without tort/legal reform, we aren't going to ever have any effect on the price of medical care.

I realize this is a unique geologic feature, however I find it ironic that society has deemed perfectly fine to blow up entire mountains.

I just saw the video for the first time ... on KiKa News ... Kinder Kanal is german Kids Channel ^o^ They said the park rangers are very upset O_o

I cook for more than Just Scouts so I tend to have more gear than Most "Patrols", so Far this is What I have come up with in Equipment, as I have them spread out in different containers in the House and Storage Areas

 

Enameled Serving: (4) 8 Cup Percolating Coffee Pots, (12) Coffee Cups, (4) Large Coffee Cups, (12) Plates, (12) Bowls

(20) Forks, (20) Spoons, (20) Knives, (20) Steak Knives, (20) Large Plastic Glasses, (20) Plastic Bowls

 

Cooking: (2) Cast iron 8x11 Griddles, (1) 24x36 Cast Iron Griddle, (1) 5 Gallon Pot, (1) 12' Dutch Oven (2) 20" Ceramic Pizza Stones, (2) 6 quart pots.

Stainless Steel Serving: (4) Large Spoons, (4) Large slotted, (4) 4 oz server, (2) 4 oz slotted server, (2) 6 oz server, (3) 10 oz soup Server

2 spatulas, Wok

P38 style Can Opener, Set of Measuring Spoons, Set of Measuring Cups, (3) Wire Whisks, (4) Mixing Spatulas, Cutting Boards

 

Heavy Duty Roll of Aluminum Foil (500 ft Roll), Ziplock Bags, Paper Towels, Disposable Aluminum Pans

 

Dry Goods and Spices, Sugar, Flour, Morrison's Peppered Gravy Mix, Taco Seasoning, Chili Mix, Sea Salt, Black Pepper, Garlic Salt, Garlic Powder, Elbow Macaronni, Pinto Beans, Onion Flakes, Basil, Beef Bullion, Chicken Bullion, Dry Ranch Dressing,Box of saltine Crackers, Bisquick (add Water Only Type), Hot Chocolate, spice Hot Apple Cider, Coffee (Caff and Decaff), Teas ( Various Flavors For Hot and Cold), Honey

 

I want to Include Solar Lights. Maybe an Old Fashion Bottle Opener on the Outside..mainly for Looks. Thinking I may Design it to Fit on Tailgate or on a Trailer.

I usually Haul my BBQ Trailer to Events.

 

When I do I have a Converted 15.5 Gallon Keg I use to heat water. The Big Griddle has pretty much replaces all skillets. As you Can see It sits on the Firebox. I am Thinking I willrework the BBQ Trailers also. I bought it, It was homemade. needs New Axle because new Rims don't fit the Hubs. I never use the right side direct fire grill..and The Upright Box never heated enough to be used like they wanted to..an Oven/warming Box.

I think trying to eat the whole elephant in one bite has been the worst plan yet. Phasing people into ACA via age cohorts might have been a better idea, especially if you started with all children 0-18. Yes, this would leave some families partially covered, but you have to start somewhere.