MoosetheItalianBlacksmith

Well there are schools Such as MCC that teach it and would be a great place to hit up either the teachers or the students to teach it.

Then you can go to any machine shop or metal works place and ask staff if they are willing to teach.

Near us we have GE aviation and Portsmouth Naval ship yard we can ask about it from. People are genrally more then willing to help out...and this is one of those feilds we need lots of people but not alot wanna do it now adays so for a chance ot pass on their craft most....i wont say all would be happy to help.

There are also groups like guilds and unions that are industry specific or genral....pipe welders can have their own guild and so can tack welders...ect. AWS (american Welding Society) is a genrally a place everywelder is a member of so you could maybe try contacting them....ive never tried it though.

SO just look at machine shops or welding shops or big things like shipyards and try looking online for guilds or unions in the area. Something is bound to turn up for yha.

Hope that helps.

Every one round here wears them over their left uniform pocket.

A lot of people sleeves are for saying what you do and where you come from (Patrol council troop ect. position).

And then the front of the uniform is for telling people who you are and what youve accomplished (Knots pins name tags, Recent event patches, OA ect.).

I know some of its not regulation but thats how we do it up here and we like it. They are still wearing the same uniforms as everyone else.

I really love the mentor pin thing its really a very special moment and a great time to thank the person that helped you get where you are today.

I presented mine to a lady who has since passed away but was so powerful in our council (even though she was only a COR) that she was called the godmother of scouting in our area. She was good enough that if she said jump every boy and every adult including Council Executive said how high. Everybody loved her. Great lady and there was no such thing as a gray area with her....it was right or it was wrong. She had ever awarded imaginable in scouting but when I gave that to her she started crying.

With everything shes done all the awards she had received and the many many many boys she helped mine was the very first mentor pin she had ever received. Between then and the time she passed I think she received 1 more.

I will never forget that.

I have also received a mentor pin for helping boys through eagle and I cherish that pin more than anything else on my uniform.

Jay K there are welders all over the country you can hit up to be MBC's. they dont have to be formaly involved with a unit...and in fact it might be better if they arnt cause they wouldnt be registering with unit only.

I myself plan on teaching it when it comes out because thats what im in school for.

Jay K there are welders all over the country you can hit up to be MBC's. they dont have to be formaly involved with a unit...and in fact it might be better if they arnt cause they wouldnt be registering with unit only.

I myself plan on teaching it when it comes out because thats what im in school for.

Hey thats what im going to college for....it should be intresting

People will really need to be carful of burns because my school is in the mindframe of saftey is number one priority (which it should be) but still its a rare day i dont come home with a burn of some kind.

Id teach it....im glad their getiing some usful badges back and i kinda wish i could become a youth again just for a little while to do that badge.

intrestlingly enough it was the blacksmithing in the metalwork meritbadge that made me want to be a blacksmith and welder.

Neither my fianc or I said to do one on ones with everybody.....as weve always said if you can get a big enough group than well set up a special course for you.....they havent been to training for awhile.....we should have enough people.

After we get the bulk trained then we can work with the one on one program or do it again when they have another group of people.

People Love the way the IOLS is running and Scouting is about outing so there should be some camping involved. The point is to teach them basic skills that the scouts should know about outdoors and part of that is camping.

We cant really do the training any earlier on Friday because no matter what we do we cant get to the training till later (we live out of district and cant take the time off of work and school).

If we need to break it up for LDS then we can do that but people tend to like the 1 and done weekend and how were running so maybe alternate if we need to....spring being LDS format and Fall Regular format. Or just train them when they get a group that want to be trained.

Clear up a few things I am in college for welding and doing relatively well. But I still see friends as much as I did before and am really swamped with homework.

My mother assumes that because she didnt see me talk with friend that means I didnt. Which as many people know is not always the case. As she mentioned homework takes me at least twice as long as anybody else therefore Would skip going to friends houses because there generally was work that needed to be done....but I also needed to relax once in awhile so Id take a break and then return to work later. Ive gone to friends houses and they come to mine only to do homework while with them. (Not very friendly or fun)

My fianc and I did talk (mainly through email) more than my mother is apparently aware of. We also talked in school in between classes. There was a delay in talking because I had lost phone number and Email address and was afraid to tell her I had done so. But I found them and immediately started communicating more with her.

boy scouts was not in order to get me a social life because at that time I was a lot more comfortable with people and had fun with other people (I have been in since tigers)...when the homework really started to cramp on me and my social life I had already been it for multiple years.

My parents made it real clear I had to get both done....and then left it as a choice to me on whether I was going to scouts or not.

This taught me to be a little more self sufficient and make my own decisions. They never kept me from going to scouts but on a very rare occasion I made that decision on my own.

It always felt so weird to not be there. And sometimes that strange-ness actually interrupted whatever I was doing and made it harder to do. So I didnt get a whole lot more done than if I had gone to scouts and did it after.

But I think that really is the best way to go about it....let the boys decide and let them fine tune and learn the decision making process. I always got everything done and not because I was up till one....I did that even when I didnt have homework.

Some rules and things like that make work for the short run.but in the end will end up biting you. I was always required to get As or Bs or it was a failing grade. I pretty much always did it but in the pursuit of those grade I gave up the fun and social interactions at school and now pretty much hate everything about school. Just a thought to consider.

It amy be big....but man would it be worth it!!

It would absolutly facinate everyone.

The online Trainings bore me and I do every so often but when I teach the actual ones people have to come to I have as much class interaction and physical learning as I can. I also ask at the end of every class how I can make the class better for the next one and I implement those ideas. Every training we have done has been better than the last and people have always enjoyed coming to our trainings and learning new things and meeting new people.

So there is a major difference between the online and physical trainings.

But I have to agree that lecturing and quizzing are boring and not really the way to go if you want to hold peoples interest and make them retain what youre trying to teach them.

Our Council Does NYLT if thats what you were trying to think of Moose Tracker.

Eagle92...you may be right that that is a flaw in the system but for the most part they are not going to be changing districts. If they are they probably have more to get use to then just training. But a lot of people have been struggling to find times to get to these trainings and once they finally do and are all trained for we turn around and say oh by the way that doesnt count....that wouldnt go over well.

At no point was I bragging but merely making a point that its a typical reaction or this extreme situation. They talked about it because somebody brought it up and when not doing anything people tend to talk about lots of different things.after awhile the topic changed to something more scout related.

On the other issue....some people do base opinions off of extreme situation and apparently your one of them. This would be one of those debatable issues because you got the people that think as you do and then those who think like I do because they realize all bets are off and people arent always in their right minds in those situations.

A person can make every right decision in the world except that one that he made in an extreme situation.....does that mean he makes bad decisions and is not to be trusted? I dont agree with that. I find it is a much better way to judge somebody based off of the normal conditions or the harshest conditions they may typically come across or need to know. As an EMT or member of the armed services that is at a different degree than you say an accountant or architect.

We all have heard of Members of the armed services that may work excellent in those extreme situations in which they are trained for but make some horrible decisions judgment calls, and life choices outside of that atmosphere. So by judging off of extreme situation you would say that because the ARMY vet was great over there they would be a great leader....what about the other stuff?

Same goes in reverse if a vet wasnt good in the Extreme Situations but outside of the armed services makes a lot of great decisions and is a good role model does that mean he would be a bad scouter.....I say no.

So maybe its just me but I Strongly feel that judging people off of extreme situations is unfair to them and is not a good accurate measure of them.

So dont use those Extreme circumstances to judge people test them out and see how they would do in a troop setting. If it doesnt look like its going to work thats a different story because now you have tested them on the level that they would be working.

Bevah that was a fascinating read and its not something I would typically read. But it supports conclusions I had come up with by comparing our culture to others.

Amazing read.....Im gonna keep that article.

"When we treat teens like adults, they almost immediately

rise to the challenge."

I can attest to that and have seen it in multiple time already....they teens that get babied are the ones that cause problems. Treat them as if they were an adult (as I have been treated for most of my life) and they will be an adult.

Good read and I recommend everybody read it before saying teens or young adults are incapable or immature or have poor judgment cause it really shines a light on the subject.

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Well I found out at our round table to day, while I listened to multiple adults including our DE talk about what exactly they would have done to the guy molesting the kids that I am actually not in an extreme.

Not even remotely I was very subdued and in the middle compared to what every one of those Older Scouters were saying.

And that was a very large group of people discussing that at the Round table not one was even close to as gentle with the guy as I was.

Just food for thought that it isnt just young people that want to go beat the crap out of the guy....in fact the young man was least violent out of a large group of scouters.

As I said before this counts as an extreme situation which is not a good correlation in any way to an actual persons personality, maturity or judgment.

Again just food for thought but my question would be if what I was hearing at roundtable was a typical response by seasoned experience mature adults how am I out of line and not welcome a troop (KC9DDI's apparently) because of what I was saying?

If you want to judge based off of extreme situations I think my round table just proves Beavahs point when he said Personally, I'd have trouble with any scouter who didn't have that kind of immediate reaction.

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Theres a difference between getting physical for the sake of getting physical and doing it in extreme situations. The situation that was being discussed would constitute as an extreme situation and I know nobody would argue with that.

I am not the only person on this forum alone that said that they would have gotten the kid out. And I know I am certainly not the only person in the world (on the contrary pretty much everybody does this) who will exaggerate ever so slightly so that it is made perfectly clear where they stand on a subject and they wont have to explain themselves as much.

Now with you going after that one statement it happened to have not worked out that way. But even still it clearly displays my point of I will get the kid out no matter what I have to do to do it. And Im sure Im not the only person on this forum alone that feels that is not wrong in any way shape or form.

It is unfair to everybody to use extreme situations to base somebodys qualifications or suitability.

Another extreme situation you were attacked and you killed your attacker in self defense. Would that person no longer be suitable for serving in the scouting program because they killed somebody or would it be recognized as the fact that it was an extreme situation and was no fault of the persons.

Another one would be if you were attacked and you ran leaving somebody behind who didnt make it.

There are billions upon billions of extreme circumstances out there and it isnt fair to anybody to test and judge peoples characters off of how they react to such situations since they are not something you will probably ever run into again in your life.

It is not a good accurate reading of the person and may in fact be the opposite blown way out of proportion....quite calm never hurt a fly kids can be the most dangerous people out there when put in these situations so they do not accurately portray anything.

Im glad you think brutally honest is a good quality as a lot of adults dont but I have learned to greatly temper it for that fact alone.

On the other issue..maybe your view of investments and liabilities is too small a range. In order to be good in business you need to realize that there is more than one type of investment.

I may disagree with the maturity and judgment thing on some levels because I know a lot of mature young adults but even if that isnt the case youre investment in them makes them stronger people and stronger in the program itself and they can provide your troop a different service than just judgment and maturity a lot of the time they are from the program elsewhere and therefore have a lot of scouting skills fresh in their mind. Besides that the boys can relate to them and will be more comfortable talking with them or using them as leaders once they get to know them then they would be with an old fart. They also make good role-models for the boys because whens the last time you heard a kid say I want to be like that old fart over there. They are more likely to aspire to be a well behaved young adult which is what the young adult leaders give them.

If you do investments in the stock market (or ever have) the best and most secure portfolios are the diversified ones. So like you would do with your investment portfolio you should be looking to diversify your leaders. Young adults from other areas can give great ideas on how their troops or event in their area were run. They can bring that stuff back to their troops. They give fresh ideas as well as a fresh outlook on things and somebody the boys can relate to.

Old fart was not meant as anything derogatory but as a mere means of separating the young adults from the other adults. Clearly, concisely and easily.

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As you may be wondering why

"Whenever any question arises pertaining to the suitability of "young adults" to serve as Scouters, several "young adults" regularly pipe up listing out their qualifications"

This is because as the statement says they are talking about what young adults are capable and in capable of doing and if they are fit for doing different things. This being the case I do not think it unreasonable to give some examples of what young adults can and have done.

Some adults have even gone back in their mind and told of what they were doing around that time. This is an example of the same thing I am talking about but because we are still young adults we are not allowed to respond and give positive examples?

Everyone who knows me knows that I do not see things in black and white I will look at both sides of everything and try to find other angles at which to look at things but as everybody must at some point I put my foot down and decide where I stand on issues.

My mother is correct in say that I am stubborn and I have been since the day I was born but I also grew up to be very blunt and brutally honest. I have tempered that a bit because in my experience some adults cant seem to handle it (havent met any kids that have an issue with it though). So some time my personality my irk some of you on here or ruffle feathers but I typically dont respond without thinking about it at least in part.

In reference to the Coaching incident my mother is right id probably only escalate if they retaliated against me...at that point its self defense. I made it stronger to going in and beating the crap out of the person for the sole reason as to state that I am very serious about getting the kid out even if it means getting into a fist fight or risking my own neck. I believe that kid should be gotten out as quickly as possible and I dont see any fault in that. As I know many of you would agree as you also stated that just reporting it was not enough and somebody should have stepped in.

I realize a lot of the young adult age group is still learning but from my experience there are plenty of mature young adults out there. Young adults can be great assets and make a lot of great decisions a couple of the greatest leaders through-out history were young adults. If you have bad experiences with the group or with certain ones not being mature than dont use them but treat the rest as mature adults who might just need a bit of guidance once in awhile to make the right decisions.

Engeneer61-

Some food for thought (I meant to post earlier but I got rushed out of the house)....

Im still in the Young adult age group and I have already been a JASM, ASM, and outdoor Coordinator (at which I was told I was the best they had had in a while). I sit on the Eagle board for my district; I am a District Trainer and becoming the Co-district Training Chair. I am a merit Badge Counselor, the highest trained person in my troop, and have recently become an ACM and have lead more than one outdoor activity. I was a Certified Lifeguard and Swim teacher and I have used my first aide knowledge from scouts to save homebodies life before. I am an Eagle Scout and A brother hood member of the OA. I also have a full course load at College and am a master mason.

Judging by the fact I turned 21 a mere 2 months ago and have been doing a lot of that for multiple years....how much of it was being done as a young adult.

Would you say that all of that was bad and I shouldnt have been given the chance to do it? Should I as a young adult just sit around and twiddle my thumbs when Im not in school?

Some more food. I have even gotten my Fianc involved in scouts (now 20) she sits on the eagle board is vice training chair for the district, does merit badges has been an ASM, Health and safety coordinator and is currently the unofficial CC of the Cub scout pack.

So are we bad scouters because we are in the age range of Young adult?

and P.S. i havent seen any thing saying he was an eagle scout and even if he was hes on in a million as has been stated before.

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I have remained in the same troop since becoming an eagle scout and have been able to get boys to follow me as an adult with no issues what so ever but Im also the first one they will come to if they have any issues or things they want to talk about that might be bothering them either in scouts or outside of it. but I will admit that it might be more difficult for some other people.

Engenieer61.....your stereotyping of young adults is grossly negligent.

I myself am 21 Given the situation in which you are talking about I know for a fact I would have on in and beat the crap out of those adults and gotten the kid out of there and I know many many young adults that would do the same. I even know kids that would have acted.

What happened was a bad situation and the 28 year didnt handle it as appropriately as he should.....but at the very least he tried to stop it from happening in the future by reporting it.

Young adults dont always have the experience in different situation but by leaving them out of the loop you negate the ability for them to get it. This kid could have been taught to stand up for those smaller than him and protect people. Instead he was probably taught to leave things alone and report them later.

By accepting the young adults into your troop you get all the positive training and experience in which they already have and you have the chance to help guide them to make better decisions in the future. You give them more experiences from which to make decisions. Learning doesnt stop just because you turn 18.

The young adults are great assets and may have great things to contribute to the troop. Boys listen to them and a lot of adults will still listen to them (not all because some have age discrimination which is a bloody shame). They can be great role models and the actions of one person do not reflect the actions of everybody.

I have seen on multiple occasions the boys (not young adults now, boys) make better decisions than adults.....so by your own logic if they can make the right decisions than obviously a young adult can as well.

The incident you are talking about is a shame and should never have happened but it has no bearing on the discussion.

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Well Im glad I didnt end up going too far for college because I would have tried to join a troop where ever I ended up. And we tell every one of our boys to think about looking into troops where ever they go in order to stay involved with scouting.

The younger adults have a tendency to be able to connect with the boys better and be more up to date with the program as they just went through it. Im saying this generally as some leaders will put nose to grind stone and learn every little change since they left and some young adults just didnt pay attention.

The young adults are a great resource and if they want to join a troop there is no reason to assume that its for the worst possible reasons. Thats one of the real problems with our culture now a days there is zero trust. Do some background and if it checks out trust that they are there to help and not to cause problems.

I havent been too involved with my troop recently (but I remain involved in other areas of scouting) because of some internal problems which a lot of you know about but at the jamboree i was there with a differnt group and every one of the boys from my troop made a point of coming and hanging out with me and talking to me. I was a young adult in the troop and I had made a difference in their lives.

This will be good a herd of scouts with beards like mine!!!

I was jokingly asked if i was the inspiration for this ad campaign..... to the best of my knowladge i am not. BUT GO BEARDS !!!

If their all in some form of formal wear that fine I have nothing against that.....I personally feel that because it is a BSA board the Members on it are representatives of the BSA and should be in full uniform. But if youre all going to wear suits and ties thats fine your still putting a good foot forward....its just not the foot id put forward. Id much rather go to an eagle board in a uniform than a suit and tie. Partly because Im not a dressy person and partly because Ive come to love the BSA uniform as a representative of the BSA.

Another person made a good point they dont say the boys have to be in uniform either but if they are not in at least a class A shirt a lot of us will send them away. I know a few boards that get right down to wearing pants socks and hat. They are representing themselves and their troop and the work theyve done when they come up to the board. Why shouldnt we be in uniform to greet them as representatives of the District and the BSA?

To me there is no question here.....where ever possible the board should be in full uniform.

If they are worried about the boy being nervous around them then they do what we did in our district and make it a requirement for them to get their projects approved by us so they get to see us and learn who we are and it isnt as scary the next time they come up. And if they follow the program right there will be a member of the board that they were given as an advisor that they will be in contact with and should show up to some project stuff.

After all that they have at least one person they are comfortable with. Weve had people up at the board that looked around at the uniforms and then started using us in their answers such as oa and other things.

So again there is no question here.....the Board members SHOULD be in uniform.

I am a member of the Eagle board in my district and have been for a few years. We Always where our uniforms as something to be proud of and as a positive role model to the boys that are coming in front of us.

We do have the occasional night where a member couldnt make it home from what they were doing or didnt have time to change. but a person every so often is unavoidable. We still have a very strong showing of uniform though.

I belive that if you want to help out in direct contact with boys you need to be willing to have a uniform and wear it with pride....id like to see that from the members that dont have direct contact with boys as well but it wont happen.

He was able to kind of explain that the project would have served the military/vetran community... and the head of our eagle board even made note of this as a vetran himself.

There was a community that was being serviced there.....but the project as a whole just didnt leave you with the feeling of it and as individual parts seemed more focused on the boy himself.

I have not picked any battles..Im merely stating where this will go. Years of history in many differnt feilds show us that.

Only way I can see it not going that way is if they tighten it up or the districts and councils continue to maintain a standard that can be associated with an Eagle Scout project. Thus making sure it continues to be a worthwhile Endeavour.

And in case you havent come across me on any other forums I am very direct and I will tell it to you like it is. I dont pull punches.