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mdsummer45

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  1. "Rather than argue da facts, your son probably should just have said "that was four years ago, I apologized at the time, and I've learned a lot and grown a lot since then." Nothing shows maturity like agreeing and then putting in context. Nothing shows immaturity like arguing trivial facts" Beavah: He did not argue..if I gave that impression my error. He owned everything and then said here is what I learned from that situation....all of the comittee member commented on how thoughtful, prepared, polite he was for the meeting.
  2. NeiLup If my comments offended you I apologize. I was only attempting to clarify my posting. It appeared that what I was attepting to say was not clear. I appreciate everyones posting, you all certainly do not have to take the time out of your day to deal with my problems but i am greatful that you all have chosen to do so.
  3. NeiLup: Did you reallly read my post....I said I understood about his mother...We did not know about that situation until AFTER we asked him when he thought he would be getting back to us. We both expressed our concern ..face to face..told him we understood his situation...that is why I made the suggestion in my post that perhaps he need to ask someone else to write the response..he has a dying mother..put her first. Ask the Advancement Chairman to reply in his place. That is what I said. My son thanked each committee member personally last night and shook each persons hand and told t
  4. Well, they say patience is a virtue...so I must be a very virtuous person. Just called the DD and he apologize that he could not talk longer to me but he had a meeting to chair, he agreed that the time frame is strange but to give the benifit of the doubt and if we did not hear anything by Monday or Tuesday at the lastest to call him back and we will proceed from there. He asked if the committee realized there was a time crunch..I said yes, I told the CC that my son has one month until he turns 18. I also discovered that the DD had spoken with the SM and told him that the troop could not hol
  5. The SM refused to sign period. We are waiting for the decision from the committee as to whether or not they are going to sign. (That was the whole purpose of the meeting last night.)
  6. WOW John in KC..we posted over each other...lol
  7. Well, it was a very interesting night. We still do not have any resolution to this situation. The whole thing lasted a little over 1.5 hours. The CC told us we could go and that the committee would discuss things and hopefully come to a decision tonight but that he could not promise that that would happen. When my son asked him when my son would be hearing from the CC, the reply was well, I'm not sure I hope to have something to you soon. I pressed the CC and and sayed "will you have something to my son by Monday", the CC reply was " Well it depends, my mom is in the hospital and we may h
  8. Beavah Perhaps this SM needs to take a step back and re access his "plate". His son is out of scouts, other people would like to be SM (but this man will not budge), he hold 3 positions at the district level plus a job which requires him to travel. Just maybe he has his hands in too many pots. FYI...I am not the only parent who has had issues with this SM, but I am the only one whose son is at the point of completion of all the requirements for Eagle. "Just ordinary folks with good enough intentions to spend a lot of their time running scouting for kids. Ordinary folks who aren'
  9. Unfortunately the committe mtg had to be rescheduled because the SM told the CC he would out of town on business until Wednesday. The meeting has now been scheduled for this Thursday. Although we were initial told that the LOR requests would not be sent out to the individuals my son had given, we have since been told that they changed their minds and have mailed the LOR requsts. Thanks to all for your good thoughts. Will post again Friday morning.
  10. twocubdad; Wish my boys had you as their SM. I like your style.
  11. jr56... Thank you for relaying your experience. My SM is out to flex his muscle. I am sure we will be pursuing this at the District level and all will turn out positively at that time. Thanks again John-in-KC Called the area council this morning and my sons Scoutnet info was promptly faxed to me. He has contacted all of his references and they are awaiting the appropriate form from the troop(wishful thinking on my part) or the DAC requesting their reference letters. His application is complete with all appropriate dates and he is working on his "Goals and Ambition" statement
  12. Thanks for the guidance scoutldr. NealOnWheels: You all have taught me well, I am becoming educated quite quickly. After I read the post from scoutldr, I promptly wrote on my To Do List: Call Council Monday to get copy of sons ScoutNet record. You all are great teachers!! Your student is learning.
  13. Thank you for your concise reply. I, too, feel that it will not matter what my son says to the committee,the cast has been set. I just am going to advise my son to give concrete examples of how my son feels he demonstrates the Scout Spirit and Scout Law in his EVERYDAY (and that is the operative word) life. As our cities former NFL coach would say at his weekly conferences..."It is what it is". Time for me to stop obsessing about this.. LOL
  14. Hey Everyone I'm trying to get a consensus here: does it really matter if the SM refuses to sign requirements in the Boy Scout Handbook, are those signatures in those little boxes important OR should we just be focusing on the SM refusing to sign the Eagle rank application. I'm attempting to guide my son in his preparation of the statement he will be presenting to the troop committee. I want to know if he should be stating that he is requesting the signature of the SM for requirements #2(scout spirit) and #6 (SM conference) in the Boy Scout Handbook OR should he just state that he
  15. I need some help interpreting something from the ACP&P #33088(I now am a proud owner of this booklet) pg 31 The 12 Steps from Life to Eagle...item #1 states: In order to advance to the rank of Eagle, while a Life scout, a candidate must complete all the requirements of: active tenure scout spirit any remaining merit badges positions of responsibility planning, developing,& providing leadership to others in a service project the SM conference Okay here is my question...are they referring to the requir
  16. John in KC.. I was half joking about my son displaying the copy. I think it would make my son look like a smart-aleck. However, I fully plan on having a copy in MY hand. thanks again
  17. Oh ..one more thing....Get a copy of the ACP&P 33088 and have my son walk in with the copy in his hand and use the booklet as he talks to support his comment papers with the front of the booklet facing the CC. LOL
  18. Okay...Thanks folks...Plan of action: 1. Calling to obtain my sons records at the council level. 2. Complete Eagle Rank Application: Requirements #1. Date of Life BOR (6-29-06-signed off by SM in handbook) #2. List of references (done) #3. Merit Badges ( he has all cards in his possession...done, 3-25-09-signed off by troop AC in handbook) #4. Actively Served in POR for period of 6 mos or more ( 01-29-07..SM was even the one who signed off on this in my sons handbook) #5. Eagle Service Project
  19. I really feel the need to reply to BrentAllens post. Therein lies the problem....my son does not know EXACTLY what he has done to cross this SM. All that has been told is that "my perception(exact word)is that you do not understand the Scout Spirit ..Scout law." No examples or specific events have ever been given to my son as to why the SM has this perception. My son has no criminal record, does not do drugs and does not drink( no I am not a blind parent who thinks their child is perfect..but we have a good line of communication.) He has never had any issues at school...he is an honor stude
  20. hey all...we are on the right road... we have spoken to our DD and he knew all about my sons issue even before I gave him my name. They are already talking about this issue at the district level. He gave us specific things to do before the meeting and after the meeting should the decision of the committee not be in my sons favor. Additionally,the DD told us to call him Tuesday morning to let him know the out come of the meeting. I also got the impression while talking to the DD that the SM is not the "golden boy" that I thought he was. I feel so much better after speaking with him. My son is
  21. One other thing...After thinking about this so much for the past few days it has occurred to me that the SM is really refusing to sign off on #2 requiremnt...demonstrates the Scout Oath and Scout law in everyday life. In our troop that requirement is always signed off on by the SM at the SM conference. How does he know whether or not my son lives the Scout Oath and Scout Law in his EVERYDAY life...the SM only sees him once a week for 1.5hrs and perhaps once a month on a weekend trip. What about the other 166.5 hrs in the week...yet the SM feels he can make a judgment of my sons character.
  22. Thanks all--When I spoke with the DAC he told me he was going to contact the troops advancement chairman and the troops Eagle advisor to see what was going on. The DAC sounded like an older man (perhaps retired, I called at 9:30a) I asked if he had an email address so my son could contact him if neccessary. He said don't have one ..don't own a computer...I laughed!!! He told me that the first step was for the troop to hold this mtg and then he would get involved if need be..he muttered something like..if the committee turns him down then I'll have to start this whole process..in a tone of ..
  23. I will call the DAC today and get him up to speed on my sons situation. Since the mtg does not start until 7:30p it may be too late in the evening for my son to call the DAC at the close of the mtg((should things not go in his favor). Instead, my son is going to have a letter prepare to hand to the CC thanking them for holding the mtg and informing them that he has already been in contact with MR DAC who told him to contact him after the mtg should my son need to begin the appeal process. The letter will state that my son will be contacting DAC first thing in the morning to begin the proces
  24. My son just received this email from the CC: "I am calling the Special Committee Meeting for Monday, April 13th, at 7:30 PM, at XYZ . The meeting is being called for the express purpose of discussing whether or not the Committee should overturn the Scoutmaster's decision, recommend you for Eagle, and approve scheduling an Eagle Board of review. If you would like, your parents can attend as observers. Everyone but troop committee members will be asked to leave after all presentations have been made so that the committee can deliberate and render a decision. Also, for informatio
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