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Summer camps facing rocky start, uncertain future
https://apnews.com/47d01ea8c3d94203c6ad212df94b18d5-
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On 3/31/2020 at 10:19 PM, HelpfulTracks said:
I expect to see the handshake becoming near taboo
Dr. Fauci agrees: https://twitter.com/ScottThuman/status/1247628515580788736
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"All the while, pay for Boy Scouts’ top brass jumped more than 14 percent, with then-top Scout Michael B. Surbaugh paid $873,927 in total compensation in 2017, according to the national council’s most recent tax returns."
"Boy Scout Director Mark Logemann received total compensation of $625,016, while Bradley Farmer got $602,874. Eight other executives earned more than $400,000, and another four made more than $335,000."
"First-class travel — necessary so employees can discuss business during flights, according to its filings — cost $382,490 over the six years examined by the Southern California News Group. Travel for spouses — “critical” to furthering the family-oriented organization’s mission and business purpose — cost $187,696 over those years, while membership in airline clubs cost $20,667."
Boy Scouts of America weighed down by red ink, high pay for execs before bankruptcy
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Gabriella Burke, the girl who started the petition, did go to the camporee after all -- in Scouts BSA:
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Classrooms will stock school shooting survival kits created by Portage student
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On 4/29/2019 at 11:22 PM, Cleveland Rocks said:
It's not a document from the national organization. It's from the Girl Scouts of West Central Florida council. Says so on page 6, and is referenced numerous other places within the document.
They may copy-and-paste text from paperwork from the national organization, but each council publishes their own version of the Volunteer Essentials document for their volunteers.
The copy of Volunteer Essentials that our local council produces is 40 pages shorter than this one, and makes no mention of the BSA at all. Our local GSUSA council has placed no restrictions on girls and units doing activities or programs with BSA units.
It looks like the ban imposed by GSNC on the Valley Stream troop originated from its board of directors. A comment in the news story mentions that some board members are elected officials in the village. My count of the board bios includes a former mayor, a current trustee, and two current education trustees. Not only are they blocking members of their organization, but their constituents, too.
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On 11/8/2018 at 11:00 PM, Eagle1993 said:
Found this to be interesting
“Girl Scouts of the USA prohibits events co-sponsored or co- branded with the Boy Scouts.”
“Do not participate in, allow, or promote any co-sponsored or co-branded events or programs that use either Girl Scouts’ name, logo, colors, or likenesses together with Boy Scouts.
This includes long-standing events like Scouting for Food and Pine Car Derbies.”It appears there are several spring Scouting for Food events that may involve Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts:
https://www.austindailyherald.com/2019/03/scouts-collecting-food-this-weekend-will-be-coming-to-residences-saturday-morning/
"Members of the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts will pick up the items to be delivered to the Salvation Army Food Pantry."https://www.davisenterprise.com/community/scouts-gather-food-for-steac/
"Davis Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are hosting a food drive..."https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/ellicott-city/ph-ho-n-clarksville-0314-story.html
"Be on the lookout for a Scouting for Food “hang tag” at your home requesting food donations. Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts, Venturing Crew members and Girl Scouts will return..."It may be possible that "Girl Scouts" is used to refer to girls in Scouts BSA. If they are Girl Scouts, will they be participating while in GSUSA uniform?
By the way, Scouting for Food is a registered BSA trademark:
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:96qkth.2.1 -
5 hours ago, WisconsinMomma said:
There are camps on beautiful pieces of property and I worry that they'll eventually get turned into subdivisions. Ew.
2014: "In the past five years or so, Girl Scout councils across the country, backed by the parent organization Girl Scouts of the USA (GSUSA), have put up for sale more than 200 camps in 30 states—more than a third of Girl Scouts properties with acreage are threatened. The regional councils defend the sales by citing the rising costs of maintenance. And, they say, today’s girls aren’t as interested in camping."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-are-girl-scout-camps-being-closed
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4 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:
Interesting that GSUSA left out the rest of that statistic. Gotta find the interview, but t seem to recall its stated "at least once a year."
That 10-15% probably includes day camp, weekend camping and summer (residential) camp.
When residential camp participation drops below 10%:
"Soots said last fall that fewer than 10 percent of the council’s girl members attend a resident camp."
Girl Scouts circulate petition in effort to save camps
https://www.semissourian.com/story/2579947.html
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On 12/8/2018 at 10:12 PM, hiker67 said:
Quote: “Instead of focusing on past notions of ‘outdoorsmanship,’ ” the organization tries to help girls develop leadership skills in a way that suits them — for example learning to advocate for environmental protection, Girl Scouts Vice President Jennifer Allebach said in an email to The Washington Post.
"Are camps being sold to pay for the pension expense?
Camping is and will always be an essential part of Girl Scouting. The decision to sell or close a camp is made entirely by local councils on the basis of usage, maintenance costs, availability of other camp property, and other factors. Approximately 10 to 15 percent of our members participate in camp experiences as part of Girl Scouting." (emphasis added)
https://www.girlscouts.org/en/faq/faq/national-gs-retirement.html
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7 hours ago, dkurtenbach said:
This should satisfy everyone and bring an end to the controversy:
Khaki Scouts.
The Fort Lebanon scenes in that film were shot at Yawgoog Scout Reservation (BSA) in Rhode Island.
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A 2014 article on GSUSA camp closures; it mentions a reduced role for outdoor learning within the organization:
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GSUSA seems to have officially distanced itself from outdoorsmanship.
Quote: “Instead of focusing on past notions of ‘outdoorsmanship,’ ” the organization tries to help girls develop leadership skills in a way that suits them — for example learning to advocate for environmental protection, Girl Scouts Vice President Jennifer Allebach said in an email to The Washington Post.
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Rockland measles cases hit 40; more unvaccinated kids ordered home
"The 25 schools targeted — with more than 1,000 students — have under a 70 percent vaccination rate and students must remain home for 21 days after the last confirmed measles case."
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While comparisons to stomach bugs and other illnesses may be helpful, it is important to note that diseases like measles seem to be very different.
1. People who have contracted measles are contagious for four days before symptoms appear; by contrast, patients infected with the flu are contagious for just one day before symptoms appear. Checking glands and temperatures upon arrival will not catch measles in advance; by the time infected people are found, others have already been exposed.
2. Unlike the flu, there is no "season" for diseases like measles. While it may spread faster in the cold months, the current outbreaks in Europe have flourished during summer.
3. While hygiene and sanitation play a key role in stomach bugs, flu, etc., they may not help as much with measles. Once an infected person leaves a room, the viral particles in the air may remain viable for up to two hours.
4. While the vast majority of people will recover from measles, there is a small risk of fatalities. There is also a small risk of permanent vision, heart or neurological problems. There is also a small risk of virus reactivation years after the initial occurrence; if this happens, it is always fatal and there is no treatment.
Camps probably have not had to deal with the likes of measles since the 1950s, so this is essentially new ground (outbreaks of mumps and whooping cough are also occurring). At this point, it is unlikely that BSA will require the immunizations that are currently recommended. Even if they were required, people could write in fake dates in the immunization sections of health forms (if the doctors left them blank).
So, camps, along with their state health departments, may need to consider a number of questions, the answers of which may vary, depending on the disease.
Should infected people go to the health lodge or should the health staff go to the infected people (perhaps, to minimize exposure to others)?
Should all people without vaccination for the disease in question be sent home, or just those with symptoms, or close proximity to the infected persons?
Should unvaccinated people be restricted from coming to camp during the following week of camp?
At what point would a camp be closed entirely and for how long?
Refund policies?
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The purpose of the original post was to see if camps had policies in place for future outbreaks. The absence of outbreaks in the past is irrelevant when vaccination rates are declining to the point where "herd immunity" is decaying. For measles, herd immunity requires a vaccination rate of 90-95% and many areas are already well below that (see map). A single nurse isn't going to be able to handle a situation where 10% or more of the children in a large camp are infected. Furthermore, measles patients are contagious four days before symptoms appear. BSA has a religious component, so presumably it will respect non-vaccination choices for religious reasons, whether they are ostensible or not. So, should camps have at least written policies in place indicating what will happen if (or when) an outbreak occurs?
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"The first leg of a July 2017 trip from Andrews Air Force Base to West Virginia was likely for a Boy Scouts event, where Tillerson, an Eagle Scout, was being honored."
Rex Tillerson Spent $1 Million In Taxpayer Money Flying Around The Country, Watchdog Group Estimates
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The religious exemptions may be involved in the outbreaks in Rockland County and Brooklyn, as they are primarily impacting the orthodox Jewish communities there; non-immunized people recently returned from Israel, where an outbreak is occurring. Apart from this, anti-vax people are increasingly using the religious exemptions for their children.
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Unvaccinated Students in Rockland County, New York, Told to Stay Home Following Measles Outbreak
With declining vaccination rates, it seems summer camps will likely face outbreaks in the near future. Do camps have procedures in place to deal with them, such as sending unvaccinated personnel home, etc.? With measles, there is a 90% chance of infection for susceptible people who are exposed.
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Consumer Product Safety Commission:
Boy Scouts of America Recalls Neckerchief Slides Due to Violation of Federal Lead Content Ban
https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2018/boy-scouts-of-america-recalls-neckerchief-slides-due-to-violation-of-federal-lead
Masks in the outdoors
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But: "Only 52% of parents plan to vaccinate kids against COVID, poll reveals"
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/07/only-parents-plan-vaccinate-kids-against-covid-poll-reveals/