Well said, SR540 & ctb. To me they can mean the same thing. The really critical aspect is that the adults clearly understand their role. Leave it all up to the boys, and it could be game time all the time. I prefer to tell Scouters during training that the program is boy led, but adult run. After all, it's the adults who are responsible for following guidelines, rechartering, signing MB cards, approving and filing forms for rank advancement, etc. When explained to leaders, this definition seems to make sense to most.