
Ekmiranda
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Before any solid advise could really be given questions need to be answered. 1) What do you mean by bad 2) Is this affecting the Pack or Troop 3) To What degree is it affecting Pack or Troop 4) Is it just personalities clashing 5) Is the CH just not active I had a CC that was not the greatest. He was for the boys in a sence but at ever chance he made sure that everyone in the pack knew that what was done was done by him and that everyone needed him and thank him for the wonderful job that he was doing. He had every leader under his thumb and they were afraid to step out of the box and make a suggestion. The unit was a cookie cut unit to the point that people were coming up to me to let me know that their sons were thinking on leaveing because of boredum. I was a new addition to the pack and quickly realizied that this was not the right way things should be run. I as the new ACM started to ask questions directed to the CM and was told thats how it is done. Not likeing those answers went directly to the CC and asked the same thing and was told to shut up and do what I was told. Haveing a very strong personality and not being the type of person to put my tail between my legs and run I started to buck the system that was in place in the pack.I kind of started a mutiney. Some of the leaders started to side with me and wanted change. Two months later the CM droped out and I was voted in by Committee Members as the new CM. At which point I just started to go around the CC and made the COR my best friend. The COR told me that un less the pack was hurting the CC could not be removed with out hard core proof that he was the cause. And besides that he said that I was doing a good job and the pack was starting to turn around so there was no need to try and have the CC removed. I latter found that the CC was a very powerful man in the community and it would be an imbirisment to him and his family if he was voted out. Six months later he contracted a rare cancer and left this earth within six months. My wife is now the new CC and 4 years later the Pack is so strong and a we have the most dynamic leaders that I have ever seen. My reason in telling you this is that there may be under lying reasons for your situation and you need to investagate. In my situation I would never have been able to have him removed. All that I would have been able to have done was go around him and let him stay in that position. He was very highly connected.
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Why my beads were not just mailed to me
Ekmiranda replied to theysawyoucomin''s topic in Wood Badge and adult leader training
I Am not a God fearing person BUT GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU IN HIS HEART we need more leaders like you. People like you are what makes this country and Scouting what it is. PS the women down in FL. weather you know it or not was at your beading ceremony. Most likly she was standing right next to you. The poeople who come on to this site and ruffle feathers well just ignor them they know not what they are doing and talking about. This is for the True Scoutter at heart and YOU ARE ONE . BE HAPPY AND DON'T LET THEM GET YOU DOWN -
CONGRADULATIONS on DREAM WELL DONE. Wherever you choice to have the beading ceremony will be the perfect choice. I am haveing my beading done at my pack night this Friday night. I never thought that this day would come but it has. I was never in Scouting when I was a youngster. I feel that I truely missed out on something. For me this is my reaching Eagle Scout. My pack paid for this and I want all the boys to see this and to relize that we as leaders also go though some pretty interesting training. After WB I came back to my pack with a diffrent outlook on things and my pack sky-rocketed because of that. I never thought that in a million years that I would be so devoted to this cause. My SPL at WB told me that he saw that I had scouting in my heart and that it was only a matter of time before I would relize this. At first I thought that this was just something that he would say to the masses. I was wrong. I am so wrapped up in scouting it is amazing. Happiness to you and all who bennifit from your WB teachings.
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Putting together a functioning Committee
Ekmiranda replied to CNYScouter's topic in Open Discussion - Program
A very lucky man I would like to think. She has been beside me all the way. And sometimes kept it together for both of us. DO NOT GET ME WRONG there are times when we wish she was not in that position. And at times it has caused some problems but you need to step back and look at the whole picture. My whole household is scouting you can not walk anywhere in my house and not know we are in scouting. People think that we are crazy when they find out that our son is not even it the pack anymore. But I have gotten attacted to working with the little kids. IT'S GREAT seeing the smiles and when one comes up and says that was the best pack night ever thats what makes it worth while and thats what makes us do it. (Remember its about the Kids) not saying that you don't know that. Thats what I always tell myself. -
When did the Schism Occur and How do we fix it?
Ekmiranda replied to OldGreyEagle's topic in Open Discussion - Program
I know that sometimes it is hard to take blame for things that are done without even knowing what you have done. I truely feel that as a CM we have the most important job. Meaning we as cuber's need to prepare our boys in the best way possible for the road ahead. You are always going to find Troops that just don't fit. And leaders that think that the only way is their's and that way is the old way, and I feel sorry for those type. They will never get a wide diversity of kids. We have many troops in my area and alot do the same thing year after year after year. When I took over the pack that my wife and I are running now it was in that rut the same thing no punch. The leaders tend to fall into that cookie cutter area and once that happens it is really tough to get out of. It has been four years in the making and things are taking a big change. It has taken time you can't make it happen overnight it will be to much of a shock to all. But it can be done. I start to talk to my cubs about Eagle Scout at the wolf level and don't stop. We have a feeder Troop that all except the Tigers visit and hang with. If you introduce the boys and the parents to BoyScouts at that early of an age I would think that the Schism just won't happen. I had 13 Webelos brigde last year and 12 are still going strong. Almost everything that we do in the pack is geared to the B.S. level and if not we try to tie it into it somehow. It also helps that I have a Wolf leader who is an Eagle and a Tiger Leader who is also and the bear den has to fathers that are Eagle Scouts. I am very concerned about the dropping out issue and always tell my boys that dropping out is not the way to solve a problem because lets face it when a kid drops out nine times out of ten it is not the boys choice it is either the parent or an internal issue at the Pack or Troop level and the ladder two is the likely choice and can always be fixed. The bottom line is that if you make it interesting and gear it to B.S. so they know what to expect at that early of an age it won't be a shock. I have a round number of 50 kids and 13 Leaders in my pack and out of that 50 2 have dropped out. 1 because of a parent issue and the other moved out of state. -
The issue has been solved, The CC has spoken to the DC directly and has cleared the whole mess up. As stated in his reply by scout nut it was all speculation and wishful thinking on this un wanted person part or maybe a misunderstanding. The DC has told the CC that Council and himself are aware of the problem and the issue's that we have with this person and in no way will let this person come near my pack, this is coming directly for the DC's mouth. She was aproved for a UC position and applyed for that position in my pack and only assummed that because she came from my pack she was going to get it. She started to brag and tell people that were in my pack at training that she was appointed the position to my pack when in fact she was just approved for the position as a UC. She strikes again. As for the invite the CC says that it is the proper thing to do because we were invited to her beading ceremony but did not attend. Thank you for all of your concerns and very helpful in put.
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OK sorry not enough info, The reason for the invite was a subtle way of telling this person that the UC we wanted we got and also to get letters the the kids have been expecting from the armed forces that she has been holding on to for over 8 months also we took WB togrther. My mistake the conversation was not an email but a phone conversation between the CC and the DE confirming the choice.
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Here is the lastest update. My C.C. who I forgot to mention is my wife started conversation with the D.E. he said that it has been confirmed that the person that we have be requesting for the UC position has been confirmed and has our # and will be calling to meet with us. Now here is where it gets good. The CC wrote a very good email to the person that we do not want and cc the COR and the DE and me stating that she is invited to our next pack night to be part of my beading ceremony. Also said that we will be annonceing that we have a new UC and stated the person's name, which was the one we have been requesting. The women in question writes back saying that the DE does not know what is going or what he is talking about because she states last week the DC called her and said that she was chosen for the position.I can not belive how much drama is involved in this and how much of a soap oprea this is. She than states that we better check with the DE and get our stories straight.
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When did the Schism Occur and How do we fix it?
Ekmiranda replied to OldGreyEagle's topic in Open Discussion - Program
When I attended W.B. almost 2 years ago I did notice that the domonating crowd was S.M. and A.S.M. I as a C.M. was welcomed and the patrol that I was in was all B.S. leaders.I got to know everyone pretty good. I asked the 100,000.00 $ question. What do you see as the biggest problem when the transition comes around. They told me more than I need to hear. I feel the problem lies at the pack level and not so much at the Boy Scout level although in so cases it may. But for the most part I got that the Packs were not properly gearing the kids and the parents for the transition the way they should. I was blind to B.S. as my son was to young but now I see the Schism because my son is now a B.S. and I do everything in my power at the pack level to gear the boys for that moment. -
Putting together a functioning Committee
Ekmiranda replied to CNYScouter's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Not quite sure about the ship part but I have 7 adults on committe outside of Den leaders. Awards Outings including big trips Camping Treasurer Fund rasier Recruitment C.C takes care of P.R. and oversee's all of the above. P.S. C.C. is my wife so it makes things very easy to control. There may be things that are more spicific to your needs not really sure. Tell the parents that they need to do this and also add that it will make things easier for you to direct your attention where it is needed more. -
I have been the cub master for my pack for roughly 4 years now. Out of those 4 years we have had a Commisioner that did not do much of anything. Just almost a full year ago she had some very bad medical issues which have removed her from her scouting position. We as a pack have had a few ups and downs. Nothing that we could not handle ourselves. I and the C.C. have been requesting for about 6 months now a spicfic person to replace our U.C. We have been getting answers like there are other packs that need more attention. You have a good strong pack and others are not so strong and need help and so on. I am proud to say that yes our pack is strong and we have successfully been doing fine without the help of a U.C. but enough is enough. Now comes the history part. About a year ago I had an asst. CM. who for lack of a better term was not much help at all. She would break down and cry at pack nights when things did not go her way,get mad and make sure everyone knew it, constantly complained about how there was not enough time for her and her family. She was very thin skinned, at leader/committee meetings get mad when her idea's were not used and on a few occaions say that it is over and she was going to leave.This person constantly needed cuddling and to be told she was doing a good job and was needed when in fact she could not complete one task that was asked of her. And had to be spoon fed anything and everything. She also has a very bad hygiene problem that she makes no atempt to fix. She has since left the pack and scouting with the excuss that she was leaving scouting to spend more time with her family. O K thats great and I can respect that. I soon found out that she has not left scouting but has asked to be on the staff at round table OK fine. She is also now on training staff. Don't get me wrong I am happy for her that she found her nich.I have a great Asst. and the pack has never been stronger.I have at least 2 deep in all dens and all trained. Now 6 months go by and I sent to new leaders for committee to training and at the next leaders meeting which happened to be the next night they said that they were talking to this person in question and the D.C. And were told that this person who has left my pack is now going to be my U.C. This is my problem I the C.C. and most of the leaders do not get along with this person. She did nothing for the pack as an asst. cuased more problems for myself and the C.C. than she was worth. She has a serious hygiene problem and does nothing to fix it. I do not want this person as a U.C. What are my opptions.
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Hi again, You do not have to start to quote BSA rule to me I know them full well. When the boys in my pack earn something they do get it right away. Please the underlying suggestions is not what this is about. I think that you should go back and re-read what I have wrote because the special awards for rank advancement is what we do as a den. And the coment that you made about all for the boys well I do not even have a son in this Pack he has been out for to years and further when I took this pack over it was about to be closed for lack of leadership. So don't start that stuff because you have no idea of the back round or the integrity of the people that you talk to.
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Hi all, I have been CM for this pack for 4 years. In the 4 years all of my Dens from Tigers up to Webelos have moved up in rank as a Den meaning Bobcat tiger wolf bear Badges. I have a Wolf Den in which all the Wolves are scattered around in achiving thier wolf badge. I have one child that has earned his and his parent Mother is adament about getting it with out the rest of the Den. This parent has pushed the child and made him work harder than the rest. The den leader Who I mite add is an Eagle has promised the badge to the parent without contacting me or the A.C. I know the issue of giving out awards when they are due and when they are earned. But my problem here is how will the other boys feel and now I am also concerned about the leadership in Den now. My pack is all about team effort and doing things as a group and all the leaders are in agreement with that and the C.C. feels the same way. Cub Scouts is also a way to learn to work as a team and giving an award to one boy because his parents worked the heck out of the book will only teach him to scrape and claw his way up on the backs of his peers. We are supposed to be helping to instill values in these kids even if the parent doesn't get it (I don't mean we clash with the parent or their beliefs, we gently remind them of the goal of scouting). Specifically the purpose of Cub Scouting is: character development, spiritual growth, good citizenship, sportsmanship and fitness, family understanding, respectful relationships, personal achievement, friendly service, fun and adventure and preparation for Boys Scouts. Thanks EKmiranda
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You have a very un nerving situation. I feel that the advise that has been give is good BUT you need to take the Troop into consideration as a hole. From reading your comments this is a very un-stable person and I would not want him around my Cubs. A few thought which I am sure that you have done is does the child show any signs of abuse? Have you contacted the Troop that He left and what was the situation there. Where does the mother come into play? is there a mother? how does the child feel? Is the child be-littled? Alot of questions. I know that it would be un-fair to the child to asked to leave but here is a short story.Radio show I was lisening to about dogs biting people this lady called and said that her dog nipped her 2 year old and she was going to give the dog a second chance it was a local station and the lady gave her name and the type of dog a few people later called and as did I and said that she should get rid of the dog. Well a few weeks later in the paper, I am sorry to say the Child was in the hospital and the dog was being put down. The moral to this is get rid of the parent and the scout if you have to but do it with council around and COR. YOU WON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE. EKMiranda