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Yah, in another thread @@MattR says: The BSA created this monster. The term Eagle sells this program like none other and yet the meaning of that term is the source of all the grief. It's not the adults that are the problem so much as the definition of Eagle. Seems like that's a worthy thing to discuss without all da sturm und drang associated with a particular case. I can't figure out how to spin off a new thread in this newfangled forum software, so I'm just startin' from scratch. I reckon @@MattR has a good point in that we aren't very consistent about what we view as an Eagle Scout. On the one hand, we say it means a lad who exhibits da best of character, fitness, and citizenship. Somethin' that only 5% manage to achieve, somethin' so important that it merits a full private banquet award ceremony, congratulatory letters from POTUS and other local, state, and national leaders, somethin' that is so outstandin' that it merits special consideration for college admissions and military promotions and job applications. On the other hand, we say it means someone who has done just da requirements, no adding. Which means a lad who has gone car campin' 20 nights in 7 years, sat through some Saturday mornin' MB classes, drowned in a forward direction for 100 yards once upon a time, and held a title of Troop Librarian for a bit over a year in a troop that really didn't have much of a library (aren't all these things online now? ). So let's talk about what Eagle Scout should be, eh? Or maybe what yeh make it mean in your program and how yeh do that. To add fuel to da fire, I've always had a warm spot in my heart for Eagle Scouts when hirin' or lookin' for interns and such. I've had pretty good luck that way. I also have a colleague who won't hire Eagle Scouts any more. His experience has been that Eagle Scouts expect to have everything laid out for 'em and spoon fed to 'em. He finds 'em to be da bottom of da barrel in terms of work performance. Beavah