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“Regimented” does not not equal fun. Good lord, Drill & Ceremony is one of the most fun parts of basic training, once you get the hang of it. Too many people think that, though. Sad.

Any hints on how to find this would be helpful. Which comic? Pee Wee Harris?

Does anyone have any scripts for troop or patrol roll calls? @HashTagScouts provided the following one: Which is great! But I was wondering if other troops that did roll calls did them differently, or if anyone was aware of some old Scouting resource that described a format. Thanks in advance!

What's really interesting about this, is that even though it’s so obvious no one needs to say it, the answer you gave (although it was in fact an attempt at an answer to my question, which I appreciate) was pretty terrible. I don’t believe for a second that your troop actually does it that way. Which just reveals the reason I asked the question to begin with: This is not easy or obvious. It requires thought to come up with something potentially workable, and trial-and-error to find out if it’s actually workable. It’s pretty obvious to me that none of you, with the exception of @HashTagScout

Hey! You finally gave an answer!!!! Was that really so hard? "SPL says “PL’s, assemble in patrol lines. Patrol A PL, please confirm everyone is here and give your patrol yell.”” Is that how it’s done in your troop? Personally, I think that’s kind of awkward, but who cares! It’s an answer, only the second one that has been given (Tron’s answer has nothing to do with opening ceremonies, of course). To show that it is extremely easy to give an actual answer to this question, here’s @HashTagScouts' answer, the first and until now the only genuine answer that has been given:

Since “how?” was literally the only question to begin with, answers that do not answer “how?” are, obviously, not answers.

Possibly. I’ve gotten one answer, and I suppose it’s hopeless to believe that any of these other folks will ever give me another one. Yes. I will remember that this forum downvotes people who ask questions and don’t accept unresponsive answers. Very “Helpful."

Except "Oh my heavens, sometimes its necessary to look into your own imagination and turn to your own ideas and close the books,” which is certainly talking down to me, and “Its just that simple, introduce the concept and stand back and watch,” when I have said multiple times that I’ve repeatedly done precisely that, with no results. But I’m not talking just about you, but about the many people here, who all know the answer to the question, “How does your SPL cause the patrols to give their patrol yells during opening ceremonies?” but instead of answering me, insult me and downvote me to o

Well, no, neither of those answer the question, which specifies "during opening ceremony." I agree! That’s a neat idea! Do you have any suggestions? What works for your troop?

Obviously that wasn’t sufficient, or I wouldn’t have wasted my time posting. How do your Scouts do it? Well, no. If that was the case, they wouldn’t be required. They’re to build esprit de corps, and are an important part of the Scouting program. I did that. As I said from the beginning, I introduced the concept, stood back and watched absolutely nothing happen. Which is why I asked a question here. Why is that such a difficult concept? Why am I being denigrated for asking a simple question that everyone here already knows the answer to?? I mean, obviously, your Scouts are alre

Could you quote anywhere, in any of those books, where it is covered in sufficient detail? Such that someone could actually do it? I’ll give an example. Say the SPL wants his troop to line up in formation by patrol, without saying a word. How would he do that? Would he just know, without being told, what a good, efficient way to do that would be? Do we expect SPLs to figure out these things? No, we direct them to resources like https://troopresources.scouting.org/silent-scout-signals/, which describes, in detail, actually how to perform the action in question. If I’ve missed such a descript

Indeed! And just when do the patrols give their yells during this assembly? All at once? Spontaneously, when no one has told them to do so? While the SPL is giving the announcements? But of course you’re not going to actually quote it for me, because that might be actually helpful.

And when the one asking is the SPL? And when the information isn’t in the Handbook? And so, because it’s a big country, and there’s no set way, no one is allowed to tell me how their SPLs do it?? And if they have no idea, and ask me? Or just don’t do it because they don’t know how? That’s a neat resource! I’d never heard of it before. Unfortunately, it doesn’t answer this question.

You’re right; I missed “Troop Leader Guidebook” in that list. I’ve now searched for “yell” in all four, and none of them even mention giving the yell during opening ceremonies, except "Use the patrol yell to announce to the other patrols that your patrol is ready to go, is present during a troop assembly, or has done well during a patrol game.”.

Where? None of those resources even mention giving the yell in opening ceremonies, unless I’m missing something.

Well, no, there certainly is a prompt: You’ve listed it. But I didn’t even know patrol roll-calls were a thing. It’s not mentioned at https://troopresources.scouting.org/openings/. This sounds like a great idea; I’ll have to look into it. Is there any other reference for this, or is it just your troop practice?

And the SPL isn’t doing it, even though I have asked him to (and he has agreed to) several times. My suspicion is that the reason may be that he doesn’t know how. Well, it occurs to me that I don’t either. So I’m asking what other SPLs do.

I’m having a very difficult time believing that you’re serious here. You’re saying that, at Wood Badge, the SPL stands in front of the formation and says the literal words “all patrols, when reporting to a station, the PL confirms everyone is there and has the patrol give the patrol yell”? Can you really imagine anyone saying that sentence out loud in front of a formation? Obviously there’s no chapter and verse here. I’m just asking what others do.

Yes, and what I said was "Shall we have Scouts figure out how to tie knots without instruction as well?” So whatever your “knots” answer is, it should also apply to how the SPL should call for yells. Well, no, they don’t. Why would they do so when the SPL has in no way indicated that they it is time to so so? And, wait, roll call? What roll call?

And how do they know to do that?

Someone has dropped the ball. The older kids don’t know how to call for patrol yells.

I'm asking just what the SPL should say or do to indicate that patrols should give their yells. This is the question I’ve been asking from the beginning, and no one has attempted to answer it. The patrols aren’t just going to do it randomly. Indeed, it would be disruptive and disrespectful if they did. So the SPL has to do something to have the patrols give their patrol yells during opening ceremony.

When and how do they give the patrol cheer? “Scoutmaster, how do you tie a bowline knot?” “By tying it."

Could you point me to where this is discussed? My copy of the Patrol Leader’s Handbook says:

I’m sorry, what’s trolling? You said "Just like any other skill, the SPL discusses the gap at a PLC. They then ask an older scout from a different troop to come in and instruct or they ask an adult volunteer to come in an instruct. " This implies that some older Scout from a different troop knows what to do to call for patrol yells. But I don’t know why an older Scout from a different troop will know something I don’t know, and that no one here seems to be able to answer. If you know who to look to for this answer, I’m all ears.