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  1. Is ours less than 90 minutes these days? It seems so much longer. I thought it was more like 2 hrs. I've been told that a switch to annual is coming for us, too. I don't mind doing some sort of ypt annually, but it would be nice if it weren't the SAME ypt every year. Maybe have a long initial one with shorter refreshers annually? Then do the full one again the next time it's updated.
  2. Not a problem. Lions don't earn bobcat, so presumably, neither would younger scouts. Planning ahead, maybe?
  3. We actually have seen the opposite - membership requirement to attend summer camp and no training requirement except YPT to be Unit Scouter Reserve status has resulted in our troop having nearly as many adults registered as youth. Since we traditionally cover the adults out of the troop/pack budget, that's a lot more fundraising we need to cover. I know the "easy" answer to this is to expect parents who aren't actually helping to lead the pack to pay for their own membership, but cub summer camp is already a tough sell for those who aren't as invested in the program, and it's really set up
  4. I would really love to know what the incremental cost to council/national is to add another adult. There's the background check - do they repeat that annually? I doubt it. Insurance - Insurance to cover physical harm to the adults makes sense to be per-adult, but if it's to protect against abuse lawsuits, more adults doesn't mean more opportunity for abuse to happen. Training - more adults does mean more training, but it seems like most of the cost of that would be development and that doubling the number of people who access it would be a relatively small increase in cost.
  5. I don't think those two are mutually exclusive, and I think that if we could entice parents into signing their kids up for a character building opportunity by offering it as an afterschool program, that would be worthwhile in its own way. Everyone benefits when we build character among the next generation. With the exception of urban Scoutreach programs, though, that's not something that can happen under the BSA name. That's actually one of the big reasons that we see families choosing girl scouts for their daughters. The girls just stay after school one day a week and get picked up w
  6. A MBC might also be a cub parent. I agree that it wouldn't be right to have a den leader or pack committee member claiming that their MBC registration covers them, but if their role within the pack is just as parent, I think it would be reasonable to count them as a second registered adult in a pinch. MBC have to go through the background check and fulfill ypt requirements - same as Unit Scouter Reserve which does count.
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    Recruiting Lions

    We probably have about 10 minutes of "instruction time" too. Some weeks as much as 15-20, maybe, but not all at once. Fun and games are how kids engage at this age and besides gamifying the lessons outlined for the adventure, games are one of the best ways for learning the skills of listening, understanding, and following rules, and provide opportunities to work on emotional regulation when the game doesn't go the way they want. And kindness when it DOES go how they want and someone else is the one upset. And, of course, training in cleaning up after themselves. Don't fight the fun and gam
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    Recruiting Lions

    We currently have 6 lions and 1 tiger in our combined den - having lost the one kid from each rank who registered online over the summer, but gaining several more around Halloween. I'm thinking that families need a month or two to settle into school before thinking about adding something else. I'm the perpetual den leader of record for the new dens since even if you had a parent agree to lead on day 1, getting them registered and trained takes time. Telling the parents that once or twice over the course of the year they'll be expected to present the meeting using one of our lesson plans
  9. I understand their need to protect the organization from future liability, but I STRONGLY believe that there should be an exception to these rules for activities where every child has a parent present. There's no logical reason why a lion den meeting needs to have two registered adults present, or why one of them should have to be female if there are girls, when we are already requiring that their parent partner attends with them. And things like popcorn both sales should be able to have two scouts working it with their own parents there supervising, even if the parent isn't registered.
  10. Having been on campouts with both of our affiliated troops, it seems very clear to me that merging the boy troops with the girl troops would quickly end with the girls bossing around the boys and the boys deciding they didn't need one more place for people to tell them what to do. But at the cub level, we haven't seen that to be an issue. We started our trying to have separate dens, but with smaller numbers of girls and the normal membership fluctuations from one year to the next, one girl deciding she'd rather do something else would have meant kicking out two others. I think the
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    Recruiting Lions

    You might be surprised by how much mileage you could get out of just having a tent set up in the corner of your meeting space and allowing kids to pretend they're camping. We had one set up at a joining night one year and it was the popular spot for all ages of cubs, including ones who regularly go camping. If you can get permission to have a lock-in overnight in a church fellowship hall or gymnasium, you could set up tents and a fake campfire, do some skits, etc. Another activity our older scouts do, but that would work well for little ones with a slightly tamer hill, is a sledd
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    Recruiting Lions

    I think the eager parents join at whatever grade is the first one offered. It makes sense that you'll get fewer older kids joining because you've already captured the segment of the market that is most interested. If Bears were the youngest, then you suddenly added Wolves, you'd have one year where both programs had high numbers because you hadn't tried to recruit the easy sells yet, then the number of new Bears would drop the next year. And the overall number of bears might drop, too, just because it's normal for some kids to not like scouts and not return for a second year, no matter what a
  13. cmd

    Recruiting Lions

    Even more important - preparing their parents for that transition. I think "my kid isn't interested anymore" sometimes really means "I was the one pushing my kid to do cub scouts, but having visited the chaos of that troop meeting, I don't see enough value to deal with the hassle of making him do it." At the cub level, we really need to prepare the kids and their parents that the training wheels are about to come off, and they may crash and burn before they get the hang of things. And at the troop level, they need to ensure that the older scouts are ready to actually manage their leadershi
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    Recruiting Lions

    That's similar to what I was planning: 2-3 "things" each month, so a den meeting or two, no pack meeting, and highlighting one of the pack activities going on that seems like a good fit for the littles. But, the 3 parents who showed up for our kick-off meeting tonight are all going to be at the pack meetings with older siblings anyway, so I guess we'll be adding those in. And they want two den meetings each month. And the sibling factor will probably have them attending a lot of pack functions, too. Our dues are so minimal that we can't charge Lions any less. We've always just ignor
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    Recruiting Lions

    The issue that I found with Lions and pack meetings wasn't that they weren't engaging, but they were just too much too late in the evening. Most of our den meetings are 6:30-7:30, and the pack meeting generally follows that pattern, though some years they've had longer pack meetings that went until 8. Our Lion parents requested an earlier 6-6:45 meeting time to get the kids calmed back down in time to get to bed on their regular schedule.
  16. Our pack used to meet all on one night, but not necessarily in the same space, and one of the other two packs in our area takes over a church building for the evening for den meetings, but the only time the kids are all together is if it's nice enough to hang out all together outside before the meetings start. Having them on the same night just makes it easier to schedule. If a den normally meets on Mondays, then trying to get those kids to a pack meeting on Weds is hard. The family generally has other stuff scheduled for other nights and needs to designation one day as the one that they ar
  17. I love the idea of the uniform bank being coordinated outside the pack/troop. That avoids the problem of families who are embarrassed about charity AND those who are keeping their distance because they may have left scouts on bad terms or just don't want to deal with a hard sell from leaders wanting them to come back. Plus, it keeps you from ending up with pack A having all the medium kids only small shirts and pack B having all the medium shirts and small kids.
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    Recruiting Lions

    I took the year off myself when my son crossed over. I needed the break, but after a year of that, I found that I had just replaced the stress of trying to run everything with the stress of not knowing what was going on, with no real gain. So, I'm back.
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    Recruiting Lions

    Those of you who are unhappy with the Lion program - did you follow the plans laid out in the leader guide or just read the actual requirements and do something that fulfilled them? I feel like there's a huge disconnect between what the requirements say and the activities suggested to fulfill them. Like the Animal Kingdom requirement "demonstrate you know what to do in an emergency" that then has the kids playing a game with first aid for cuts and sprains and bug bites and blisters. I would personally interpret "what to do in an emergency" as things like discussing how/when to call 911, ge
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    Recruiting Lions

    Alcohol isn't allowed in state parks in PA? It never would have crossed my mind to look into that, even though I grew up there. It's something that was done so often that I wouldn't have thought I needed to research it. In NY it's legal and parents always look at us like we've lost our minds when we tell them that they won't be drinking on the campout.
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    Recruiting Lions

    Given that we haven't had a Lions cohort go all the way through without the interruption of covid, I don't think we can say yet what impact the new rank has on retention. Were you guys in packs that had an early pilot program? I'm surprised you had any that started as Lions. Our 6th & 7th graders didn't have the opportunity to be Lions and our current lack of any 5th graders is because we didn't have a Lion den but the troops on both sides of us were chosen for the pilot program and the next year they had solid groups moving in to Tigers and leaders trained and ready to go. We did
  22. How do other people "sell" the Lion program? My understanding is that the recommendation is that the kindergarten crowd should have 2 meetings each month, about 40 minutes long, and only have the pack meeting and events loosely mentioned to them, not really pushed. We've had a number of people interested in trying it out, but $130(assuming the pack doesn't ask for any dues from them) plus uniform plus book hasn't turned out to be an easy sell. Broken down over the course of the year it's not a huge amount, but any kind of sports kids sign up for at this age tend to be a month or two
  23. Troops aren't broken down by rank the way a pack is, so having the necker change wouldn't be as useful as it is for cubs. It's nice to be able to find at a glance that one kid who has wandered off with his brother's den. Our pack solved the cost problem of the multiple neckerchiefs by asking parents to donate back any old neckerchiefs and slides they didn't want, then buying enough more to have a complete set. Now all neckerchiefs are owned by the pack and loaned out for the year. We always end up short a few slides at the end of the year, but that's a manageable expense for the pa
  24. ParkMan, Would you be willing to share the script you used for the face painting?
  25. I actually think that this pack is operating so far outside of the way the program is designed, that it might not be having the effect on the boys that everyone is suggesting. It seems like it has gone all the way past "being handed a rank you don't deserve" to just being handed a piece of fabric to put on your shirt to identify how old you are. It's lost all connection to being an earned rank, so probably bears the same weight to the boys as getting a different colored neckerchief. And I'm guessing that if this has been going on for a while, the troops in your area must be used to starti
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