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  1. Yep. And altitude makes a BIG difference. Temps can vary quite a bit on any given day/night based on location on the ranch.
  2. For me it isn't a question of "will it work". More like, what will work best. ie. What will reduced discomfort and increase enjoyment the most. I'm sure you could take all the stuff you listed. I wouldn't even begin to consider it, but you are the one that will have to carry and use it all. Do what makes you happy. My list of recommendations is here: http://gear-report.com/best-budget-backpacking-gear-philmont-boy-scouts Happy to answer any questions or explain my rationale, if it would be helpful for you. And I just posted an alternate cooking method for Philmont today: http://gear-
  3. Fantastic! Please share any feedback from your shakedown hikes and trek (jeff@gear-report.com). I'll update the page as new info comes in. In fact, I spent a fair amount of time updating it this evening. Now, to finish editing my pre-trek (shot in base camp) and post-trek (shot a couple of days after we returned from the trek) gear review videos...
  4. That is what I thought. I actually had a frogg togs top and bottom, but found out a few days before we left that they just discourage ponchos... not ban them. I have yet to have anyone tell me WHY they don't like them. Clearly, I've used them twice and had a good enough experience that i would do it again.
  5. That is a great list so far. The things you might consider: Coffee cup - I carried a collapsable Sea to Summit cup, but never used it. That was a wasted 2.4 oz. Every night I would finish my gatorade and refill my smellables bottle with water. Then I would put 2 packs of coffee, 2 packs of sugar and a pack of creamer (Philmont gives you all of these in little packets at the Crew Advisor's meeting in base camp before your crew hits the trail) in the bottle, shake it good, then send it up in the bear bag. By morning everything was thoroughly dissolved and ready to drink. I thought I woul
  6. We saw several of these guys on the trail. In every case they appeared to be 50 or older, overweight, and looked MISERABLE. Their crews were invariably either annoyed / bored as all get out from the slow pace and frequent stops, or had decided to just hike on and let the old guy catch up when he could. It was sad thinking of how much better the trip would have been for all of them if the adult would have packed smarter so as not to impose on the rest of the crew. Also heard about a variety of injuries in other crews from old guys trying to carry too much weight and keep up with 17 year
  7. Nope. 75 Liters. He was probably closer to 55-60Lb. Still way too heavy for us old, out of shape guys, but not 75 Lb.
  8. Taking things that were bigger and heavier than necessary. For example, I think his 75L pack itself weighed 6.5 Lb empty. No one needs a 75L pack at Philmont, let alone one that is so heavy. Or taking things he just didn't need, like two trekking poles. He only used one and carried the other the whole trek. Or his mess kit that he hauled around, even though he only used the plate.
  9. I carried a Z-Packs Arc Blast 60L pack that weighed 19.6 oz... about 1 Lb 4 oz... empty. We had a scout that spoke up as we were checking in to catch the bus to start our trek that he didn't have long pants for the conservation project. Yes, we had ID this in our shakedown hikes, our "bring your gear to the scout hut" shakedown, and the Philmont Ranger's shakedown... but the dude didn't want to take long pants, so he ignored it all. UNTIL his dad asked him on the walk from tent city to the bus pickup point which pair he had chosen (since dad had bought him 2 or 3 rather pricey new pair of
  10. None of the adults in our 2017 crew attended PASS at Philmont. One guy did it locally. I wish he would have gone to the real deal, as he filtered much of the info through his prior experiences, which were not remotely comparable. Short version, he ended up making a few poor gear choices based on false assumptions. We tried to reason with him, be he wouldn't listen. End result, we all had a good trek, but he said he would have been a lot more comfortable had he listened. I think spending time on actual Philmont trails during PASS would have brought a lot of clarity to him. The local PASS traini
  11. Let me know if you have any gear questions. I've documented everything my son and I carried, as well as some crew gear.
  12. Very cool! I have to admit to getting a bit nostalgic/sullen when I see people post about their upcoming treks. I think I would be quite happy to do a trek every year. So happy for everyone going, but sad that I am not. We were 716M in 2017. We experienced meaningful rain one afternoon/evening on the trail... trail day 10... so the 27th-ish. When we got back to base camp we heard that it had been rather intense rains EVERY afternoon during our trek. We heard it most days, saw the clouds and rain from afar many days, but just happened to be somewhere other than right under it nearly every t
  13. We toured Villa Philmonte after our 2017 trek. That had us walking pretty close to the PTC. We also drove through the PTC before we hit the road headed home. In both cases we saw a lot more little kids/families roaming the PTC than expected. Looks like a great setup to me.
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