TwoBlocked

Nextgenscouter1 & Packsaddle:

What TL or BSA or any other organizations says and what any individual member believes, and even how such a member acts can be very different things. But where the "rubber meets the road" is how the leaders interact with the boys.

I have the same pride about my own righteousness that everyone else has. Isiah called it what it really is: a stinking rag in the nostrils of God. I remind myself that it is only God's Grace that makes my, or anyone else's worship acceptable. Sometimes it humbles me, for a while...

The idea of BSA and TL being in competition asks the question of what are we competing for? Popularity? Membership numbers? The feeling of being "right"? Hey, if the focus is on serving the boys, we are not competing. We are on the same team.

I really value this discussion. These sort of points will be coming up as I talk to people directly, and I haven't really got it all sorted out yet. THANKS!

You can have a 100% Baptist unit - just only accept Scouts from your congregation. Then in addition to the Oath and Law' date=' you could focus on the Baptist flavor of Christianity.[/quote']

 

Yes you could, and I think some BSA Units are like that. I don't see how that really serves the boy that would benefit the most, though.

I would have gone to a TL meeting to see what it was like, but there weren't any units near me. Peregrinator, I assume they are following the Evangelical interpretation of the Bible.

TwoBlocked would I, an Orthodox Youth be able to join TL with my parent as a leader? Since we aren't the "right" kind of Christian?

Sorry, an Orthodox what? Jew, Russian, Greek? I don't mean to be flippant.

​Like Scouting, a lot would depend on the unit. A troop doesn't have to take anyone, but there are some adults that cannot become leaders. There is a declaration of faith involved.

​I do not see any TL restriction on youth except for age and gender, as long as they don't promote a morality that is contrary to TL or the CO. That would be backstabbing like a scout saying it is OK to lie or steal. Everyone has their own thoughts and beliefs, and they change back and forth especially when you are a youth. But you learn to "ride for the brand" while you are part of an organization, otherwise an organization just can't function.

 

 

work it out biblically? If that was as easy as you make it sound there wouldn't be so many versions of Christianity. The bible is interpreted by man. So which is correct? For instance, the Christian church I attend says that homosexuality is OK according to the Bible. I know that is not the majority interpretation of the Bible but it is an interprettation from a Christian faith including many "educated religious leaders". I think the ten commandments, might be the only non-interprettable part of the bible.

 

I have nothing against TL, and I wish the members well. I just think that they will have many of the same problems over time.

Having a Chaplain (that is appointed by the CR which represents the CO that agrees to conduct the program according to TL standards which include that leaders will live pure lives) available to mediate disputes I think will really help sort out any theological differences.

Hi Folks:

I have a bit different perspective about what TL is about, and why I am attracted to it. Morally straight behavior is not only about physical intimacy. It is about how people treat each other, and requires a common standard that everyone agrees on.

I have recently gone through a problem with our BSA Unit caused by very different moral standards. That is something I expect can be better resolved in TL. When (not if) there are problems we can go to the bible with the required Chaplain and work it out - biblically.

Something that I see lacking in this thread is how much the Adult Leaders truly make any youth program fruitful. It is not what is in some book, it is how the program is presented. I want a Christian based program for my boy and the other boys. I really think there is a difference. And it need not be "churchy". Scripture is full of matter-of-fact common sense.

Here is how I paraphrase the new membership policy: "Just because a boy has a sexual orientation or preference does not mean he can't be a Scout." The inference is that what he DOES is what can bar him from membership. And if you believe that when the leaders live a squeaky-clean life, the scouts will choose to also (or choose not to be invlolved in scouting...), then what's the problem? But if you believe that setting an example doesn't mean a thing, well then you have much to worry about.

Myself, I have decided to not even go near the edge of morality. I have made it clear to the parents that if someone is not doing their best to live a squeaky-clean life (no shacking up, etc.) then they do not have my support, as Cubmaster, to be in a leadership position. We on the ground have much more influence than those in Irving, Texas!

Been Browsing and thought I would join this Forum. Got sucked into being Cubmaster of a nearly dysfunctional Pack. The membership policy change (if you want to call it a change...) put even more stress on our Pack, but I think we can weather through it. It is an odd situation where the Charter Organization is the local township and just provides a small hall for meetings and signatures when needed. They have absolutely no "skin in the game".