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Gee answer off forum. Is that a change from the last 7 pages of discussion. I seperates those that disagree so there is no support. Kewl stratagy. WON'T WORK. Kicking proof to the curb while demanding proof won't work either. I get so tired of "prove it, prove it" and "I know that 92 years ago". PULEEZE We must be reading differant books. and I was there more than 50 years ago and I am here to testify that it was differant. To tell me to prove what I witnessed and testified to is calling me a liar and as a scout and scouter for many years, I DON'T LIE. Thank you for you time.

Bob, I wonder why you chose to answer me privately for my last posting. Did I come too close to the truth? How would you know what was 92 years ago? Were you there? The books i read indicate that you have handled the truth with carelessness Bob. Thogh I will continue to use questioning as my handle here, I am including your letter in this post because public forums should remain public and not go private without the recipiant's permission. In a message dated 7/10/2003 9:08:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, info@scouter.com writes: "The move of Exploring to Learn for life is a change.

Bob, the statements of both Shields and Williams show a change in attitude. You may not want to admit it but it is there. The move of Exploring to Learn for life is a change. When the Oath was created Morally straight had nothing to do with "not gay". Now you all center on that meening. Bob, it is time to open your eyes and see the truth. I knew I was gay at age 12 and the whole troop knew. It was no big deal then. The were two boys in our troop that were non-theists and it didn't matter a hill of beens. You have gone into the Supreme court to be a private discriminating organization.

hI bOB. i'M BACK. IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT READ VERY WELL. yOU JUST TAKE THE JIST AND THEN ATTACK. 2 PAGES AGO I said I would sit down with the boy and direct him to his parents because at that time he needed guidance rather than being kicked to the curb. You inediate response was "You would not direct him to his parents" and then came the attack on me and my understanding of the handbooks. Let me make this clear. I joined Cubscouts in 1945 and left at the end of 1999 when I could no longer stand the intolerance. I am an eagle and hold the silver award in exploring. Do you even re

The book has not changed, only the teaching. Morally straight had nothing to do with not bring gay yet mr Shields has quoted it as meaning just that. The differance is not in the book but in the teaching. Now for a scout who comes to a scoutmaster about orientation the SM needs to deal with it not by telling him it is right or wrong but by guiding him to his parents and not kicking him to the curb.

I will be happy to answer that Bob How about the Scout law: A scout is Trustworthy- So when an youth whi has beenin scouting for say 6 of 7 years reaches Puberty and begins to question He better not go to his scoutmaster who he truly trusts and broch the subject. He must hide it and lie about it. The fact is the moment you begin teaching chat there is a segment of the population that is not as good as them because of who they are nad not what they have done you are teaching hate. A scout is friendly- A brother to all other scouts and a friend to all showing acceptance of their wa

Teach the BSA way. The BSA way use to be an accepting way. Unfortunatly it has changed. Hopefully they will turn back to acceptance of all boys because they have so much to offer. The sponsoring institution and the unit committee (the parents) should decide on the scoutmaster. Then all religions would be accepted. There is so much missing from Baden Powell's concept of a "manboy" and the direction of openness and acceptance in todays scouting. Having been involved for 54 years I have seen it both ways and I must say this way is very lacking.

Bob Walker was right. Scoutmasters come from all walks of life, but then so do gays. Your neighbor or your neighbor's son or daughter could be one but unless you are accepting you may never know

The opinion seems to be that all the gays in scouting should stay in the closet and continue to teach non-acceptance to the youth of america. What Greg did is what needed to be done. My prayer is that many more gregs out there will stand up and be counted. You hate what you do not understand. I spent 54 years in scouting in the perverbial closet hearing all the off color remarks about gays this and fags that. There comes a time when we must all stand up for ourselves and what is right. Greg did just that in Phili on that day. What I do not understand is how is this council saying "we wi