Who is this wheeler dude, anyway? It seems like no matter what the original topic of a thread was, it is changed to a bizarre argument over "socialist pedagogy" and feminism and "androgenizing boys." LOL Yes, I know this thread was started by wheeler, but...I don't think it really matters. This wheeler is obviously (as others have pointed out) someone who knows nill about Scouting, its motives, its methods, and least of all, its values. Those of us who actually were or are Scouts and Scouters know better than that. My advice: give it up, wheeler, because you'll never convert anyone here.