local1400

"My experience is that this goes in cycles. The more nerds in your Troop, the less complaints." Come on, Kudu. Nerds? These are BOY SCOUTS who come in all varieties. There are 3 young men in our troop who play varsity football at the H.S. I am a pretty big guy and I wouldn't call these kids nerds! If the kids aren't crying to Texas about uniforms then let it go. This just keeps going 'round and 'round "the horrible, nasty uniforms are keeping kids away from Scouts". Thats pasture-piles and most of us know it! Focus your energy on program. If you deliver a program thats worthwhile, word gets around. If National does read these posts as has been stated here before, hear me now I WILL NOT invest money in an updated uniform as the 6 I have now should last me until the bitter end!

resqman, sounds to me you got a tough choice between two great programs. Flip a coin.

I've got to be frank here and say I have never heard ONE complaint about the Scout uniform amongst the 30 boys in our troop or 7 leaders. The only complaints I hear are here, from adults! So if the reasons we are Scouting don't mind then we shouldn't. Yes, I like the colored backing rank and POR patches better but it is what it is and I am going to wear it proudly. We have troop t-shirts for camping and such but I am real proud of the uniforming in our troop for parades, meetings, and service projects, and wherever uniforms are necessary. Now, if I could only sell them on neckerchiefs......

If you two keep up that TALKTALK, you may create a SCANDAL. The POLICE may come, and it will be an ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. KISS and make-up, or you'll be banned (band?) TIL' TUESDAY. ENOUGH Z'NUFF! On a side note, I am impressed with the array of musical artists listed. I think OGE is really ODB!(This message has been edited by local1400)

OK Gern, I see your point. You and I are both in the hills and like here I'm sure you have plenty of rescues there of people who don't have the skills to be doing what they are trying to do. Even some rescuers have died here when the rescuee was found safe. The mountains are unforgiving. Sometimes you gotta know your limits and when to turn around instead of forging ahead. And your mountains are twice as big as mine!

I would tell any parent that a Scout who is trained and follws the rules would have no use for one (Stay in one place, use buddy system, etc...). But would not push the issue but remind the parent the consequences of a false alarm. I read a story about a canoeist in NY who got into trouble and used one. Fine. He went back to retrieve his gear, couldn't find it and pulled the hook again! He was fined and billed for the second "rescue". I'm glad you don't use that useless GPS thing anymore. I'm not into gadgets. Heck, I just bought this info box I spend too much time on 6 months ago. Could I live without it? Yes, but I love this forum and the people here. Oooops, gotta go shut off my big screen t.v.- all 13 inches of it!

Although excellent, rugged tents, the Eureka Timberline tents run kinda small so we only had two per. Sometimes an odd man would sleep alone. I still use a 2 man dome I bought in 1989 for my H.S. graduation gift to myself- A Eureka WindRiver 2. Beaver, thanks for the link about the girls. They were only a year or two older than me. Sad. I can see your concern, but 30 years has elapsed. I always carry a Mag-Lite-you never know when you gotta split someone's head open!

Licking Orange Lollipops? I never understood why people always added that everywhere. Don't they ever try another flavor?

Gern, I respect your sound advice in your posts. But I am dismayed at the surge to buy GPS and PLB's for wilderness play. I like to hike and camp the old fashioned way-with knowledge and experience. I think if one plans a trip with a possible rescue in mind, that person doesn't belong in the woods in the first place!

svendzoid, Welcome to the forums. I started a similar thread this morning under council relations. Last I heard before this the YCC wanted to close and sell Lone Tree. Can you enlighten me as to the change? Thanks, Local in the North Woods.

OGE, please forgive my ignoramousness, but what exactly is O.F.S?

I love the idea of a BSA boonie hat! Currently I wear the grey BSA/OA hat, item no. D70600. It fits well, looks good, and covers my ever-increasing forehead!

Oh, Brianbuf must be happy. Keep the uniform except bring back the color.

OGE, I remember the Camp Director smoking in the kitchen and in the Dining Hall during SM and Staff meetings in the mid 80's! There have been many highs in Scouting to narrow it down to just one. International Jambo in Canada in 84? Four summers working at Scout Camp? OA Conclave? Or maybe the fellowship of council campfire on friday nights, hundreds of youth served, patches earned or traded, meals shared with strangers who became friends? Every second was worth the price of admission-which was a bargain.

C-Bolt, my hats off to you. You are that rare Scout who is not "too cool" for Scouts and play sports too. There is also a football player in my troop. I love it when he addresses the troop. My favorite is "When you wear that Scout uniform, you REPRESENT this Troop, this community....". You know, you've heard it. Keep up the good work.

SR540 Beav-- mistake your business for oatmeal? Man, you should eat a block of cheese before your next trip. Seriously though, some info for you folks. I work outdoors 10 hours a day switchin' out boxcars. We have no facilities sometimes and you gotta do what you gotta do when you gotta do it. Hence, local ALWAYS has a roll of the good stuff in his coat pocket. And since local is roving around on his feet all day, you remember where you did your business last. Well, daily. Gettin so I can't go inside. Anyways, I notice that the stuff just don't last long outdoors. A week tops, less if it rains. So I guess what I'm saying if it stayed around for long, we'd be knee-deep in it by now. And I'm also usually full of it!

Hello gt- come over the Kancamagus Highway to Saco Bound in Center Conway. They have canoe/kayak rentals with trips of varying lengths down the sandy and swift Saco River. Shuttle service back to your car included in the price. Come midweek or you will be in the middle of a 40-mile long keg party.

I hear you guys, so try coming on between 3 and 5 a.m. Pretty fast during these hours. I need my fix too.

milwscout580, When I worked on Staff we wore standard Scout uniforms. We also had t-shirts and one year had polo shirts with staff embroidery. We also had hats and neckerchiefs like most camps that said staff on them. We had to wear our camp staff name badges at all times. I had a couple of the dark green Exploring uniforms I got used for cheap-they said Boy Scouts of America over the right pocket so I put on CSP, numerals, and lodge flap. No one ever said anything about it.

Well Gonzo and I have danced around this subject before, we'll dance again. The Easternmost Scout camp in the U.S., Katahdin Area Council's Camp Roosevelt in East Eddington, Maine gets my vote. 1800 acres with a clean lake that is undeveloped, great DINING HALL, lots of history and tradition. Always attracted troops from out of state and from Canada too. Home to the second largest log dining hall East of the Mississippi River, built in 1929.

Too cold to snow here. Temps hovering around zero with wind chills well below round the clock. Not unusual for here but yeah, 73 degrees F last month was. Wheres this global warming? When will it get here?

eghiglie, I'm just curious, do you measure a unit by the amount of WB trained leaders? If you have a strong PLC who are all JLT trained, or whatever they call it these days, Larry, Curly, and Moe can be SM and ASM's. Don't need no beads to lead!

O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker. Psalms 95:6

OK Beav, you got me.

Any time you can give is worthwhile Beav. Hey, I myself am waiting to win Powerball so I can quit my job, become a full-time ASM and spend my summers on a Camp Staff somewhere. Time is very precious. I have a co-worker serving a seven day suspension from work right now. The crime? He called in sick one night. That's life in my world.