lasteagle83

Textile

Georgia Tech's School of Textile Engineering put on a Saturday merit badge class. It really was quite fascinating seeing the different machines and how they spun thread into cloth. I still remember learning that some sheet fabrics (at least back then) start life as a tube, not unlike a sock, and are then "split" to form a flat sheet.

I also remember that one of the products on display was ASBESTOS CLOTH. Boy, that was a long time ago....

Just to give you folks some insight from a native Atlantan, the area in question (Lilburn, and much of Gwinnett county) is primarily conservative in its voting and views. One glance at the map that shows "Ronald Reagan Parkway" running THROUGH Lilburn gives you an idea of the political mindset. (Jimmy Carter Blvd is also in Gwinnett, but that's only because he was from our state, and that's another story altogether....)

In any event, I'm sure the event sponsors feel they had their hearts in the right place by asking such political celebrities to speak to inspire/impress/solict funds; as DSteele mentioned, sometimes speakers will go places they've been specifically asked not to go.

And yes, the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation does have a decidely liberal slant on many things, as it has for many, many years. I'm sure once it got wind of Ollie North at a BSA rally it was like a feeding frenzy to see who would cover it and be able to write their stereotypical bash-a-thon of whatever caught their fancy.

I'm sure, though, that this same type of event could have occurred in a different city, with liberal speakers and a conservative press, and had the same review in reverse.

Should the local council get some negative feedback in light of the inflammatory comments made, and the positioning of the BSA as ANY type of political organization (conservative or liberal)?

Absolutely.

Did some research, kids........here's what I found. ALLCAPS used for ease of confusion. :-)

Scout Handbook, 11th edition, 2000 printing, p13.

"ROLL the long edge of a neckerchief until it is about six inches from the tip. Place the neckerchief smoothly around your neck, either over or under your collar depending on the custom of your troop. Hold the neckerchief in place with a slide."

Insignia guide 1999-2001, p7:

"FOLD long edge over several flat folds to about 6 inches from tip of neckerchief. A tight FOLD prevents gathering around the neck and is more efficient than rolling or twirling".

Also, "By vote of troop, ends may be left hanging loose or may be tied in a slipknot".

Skip 20 years back...

Scout Handbook, 9th ed, 2nd printing, June 1979, p52: "To put on your neckerchief, ROLL up its long edge to about 6 inches from the tip. Then place it smoothly around your neck. Hold it in place with a slide. Leave the ends loose or tie them with a slipknot depending on troop custom. Turn the collar of a long-sleeve shirt under."

Scout Handbook, 8th ed, 5th printing. P14 shows a neckerchief that is clearly FOLDED rather than rolled, but no written instructions are given on length of back of neckerchief, or fold/roll preference.

Wolf Cub Scout Book, 1972 printing, p24

"YOUR NECKERCHIEF

Here's how to tie it:

A. FOLD long edge over in several flat folds to about 6 inches from the tip.

B. Place around neck of V-neck shirt or over collar of official long-sleeved shirt. (The collar of your long-sleeved Cub Scout shirt may be turned under when wearing the neckerchief.)

C. Draw neckerchief slide over ends. Make the neckerchief fit snugly. The ends can be loose or tied in a slipknot as preferred by the pack."

Scout Handbook, 7th edition, 6th printing, February 1970, p59

"To put on your neckerchief, ROLL it to 6 inches from the tip. Then place it smoothly around your neck and hold it in place by a slide. Leave ends loose or tie with a slipknot depending on troop's custom. Turn collar of long-sleeved shirt under."

and finally from the oldest of my collection...

Scout Handbook, 5th ed, 4th printing, January 1951, p53. There are no written instructions for folding or rolling; just a line drawing with neckerchief clearly just wrapped around the neck with a slide in place, NEITHER ROLLED NOR FOLDED, but in more of a "blousy" manner.

Operational test for your left and right arrow keys, I suppose...

Ambidextrous until first grade, when Mrs Davis decided I should be a right-hander "for my own good".

Still catch myself from time to time trying to sign something with left hand......which makes my atrocious right-handed signature look good.

The ability to eat with both hands did come in handy when fighting off two older brothers, though........ :-)

Settle down boys, and quit throwing knives at each other - you don't want to lose your Totin' Chip, do you?

Yes, OGE, Cincinnati style chili is reminiscent of cheap ballpark hotdog chili on leftover spaghetti or noodles. My mom had a word for the same stuff - LEFTOVERS! ;-)

Settle down boys, and quit throwing knives at each other - you don't want to lose your Totin' Chip, do you?

Yes, OGE, Cincinnati style chili is reminiscent of cheap ballpark hotdog chili on leftover spaghetti or noodles. My mom had a word for the same stuff - LEFTOVERS! ;-)

Somehow CRANEACE's request for info is reminiscent of Connie Chung's famous interview with Newt Gingrich's mother, when she "off the record" asked her what Newt thought of Mrs. Clinton. The recorder was going in spite of Ms Chung's assurances that it was "just between us". For those of you who don't remember that exchange, let's just say Newt's alleged opinion of Bill's wife rhymed with something that needed to be scratched. Journalistic integrity bites the dust when a juicy sound bite is imminent; I'm afraid we may all have played into this by keeping this thread going so long.

Would it be in our collective best interest to move on to another subject?(This message has been edited by lasteagle83)

Rick, if you have a list of these Eagles, you may want to go to Classmates.com to look for folks under their high school class. You can search by name, and it will pull up folks by year of graduation and by school. This may find folks for you that may have moved, or are difficult to find for whatever reason. There are a couple of other alumni sites out there; reunion.com is another large one. Good luck with your search!

Yo, Foggy-boy. Listen up. Reality is calling.

This post is not in defense of Bob White (or any of the other multitude of those whom you have attacked or offended), so get the "Bobby" chip off your shoulder, and pay attention.

The politeness of others hasn't seemed to work to curb your objectionable behavior, nor have the requests of the operators of this discussion board. Your consistent lack of common courtesy, blatant disrespect for others, and general disregard for the Scout Law (which is a governing principle of this board) is disgraceful.

This is a Scouting-related endeavor, one that most of us enjoy and find educational and helpful. As Scouts and Scouters, we all tend to hold our own behaviorial standards very high, especially in the company of other Scouts and Scouters. The VAST majority of disagreements on these boards are handled with reasonable decorum and mutual respect.

You seem to find gleeful delight in causing disruption, anger, and ill-will towards you. What a sad little man you must be.

Let's look at how your behavior would be handled in different forums and circumstances:

If this were a biker bar, you would have long ago had your hiney kicked for your comments and general attitude; been shown the door by the bouncer; or perhaps both in rapid succession.

If this were a movie theater, you'd be the loud obnoxious guy in the back who is finally asked to leave because of complaints.

If this were your job, you'd likely be given a cardboard box at the end of the day and an escort from the premises because of insubordination, harassment, or (in employment-at-will states) "this guy just ain't gonna work out - get rid of him".

If this were a baseball game (something near and dear to your heart), you'd long ago have been ejected from the game for unsportsmanlike conduct. Funny, though, I bet you'd spit in the ump's face before you left.

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Is it sinking in yet, FOGGY BOY?

Is that little bulb above your head starting to glow just a wee bit?

If you decide that you can behave in a SCOUTLIKE MANNER, and can provide constructive input into these forums, you are by all means welcome to stay.

Otherwise, hit google.com and find some other board or chat room to express your anti-social and pugnacious rhetoric -- we're too busy for your crap here.

nice, acco40............ ;-)

Depends on your generation, eagle90.......

Today's generation would be "Everybody Loves Raymond"; my generation was probably "Ironsides".

Someone may have to help the young man with that last interpretation!! ;-)

A bit of both, I'd say.

I remember summer camp 1980, Bert Adams Reservation, when the COOLEST day that week was 103 degrees; it was the hottest summer of the century. Got home to the air conditioning and almost froze to death for a couple of days!!

I don't guess anyone has thought of one obvious reason the flag patch may be "backwards" on the military uniforms.........

Think of all the commercially available "normal" flag patches that can be bought dirt cheap, anywhere (including Scout Shops).

How many BACKWARDS ones have you ever seen for sale, anywhere at any price?

Perhaps it is one method of helping prevent enemy troops from mimicing our uniforms and infiltrating our ranks, or carrying out atrocities while appearing to be US troops.......

Just a thought.........

Let me get this straight.......

24 year old, in position of authority, takes MINOR (regardless of age of consent, which in most jurisdictions applies ONLY to minor/minor contact) girl TO HIS APARTMENT for overnite stays, constantly hits on other MINOR girls (who have said they are uncomfortable around him), and has every possible appearance of a possible sexual predator (younger victims, in position of authority, etc)?

If you confront him, he will likely argue that 8 years is not that much difference in age - which it's not, if he's 38 and she's 30. But when you factor in the fact that he is 24 and this girl is a MINOR, along with the difference in maturity levels, this guy cannot be allowed to continue. Maturity is paramount issue here; does wide-eyed 16-year old really have the good sense to know the difference between "attention from an older guy" and something else?

If you let this continue, you risk several things:

1. Council could be up for lawsuit - the last thing the BSA needs is a potential scandal of this sort.

2. Forget the fact that Scouting is involved here; this is, in the eyes of employment law, very much a case of sexual harassment.

3. Then you get into the fact, again, that this girl is probably NOT OF LEGAL AGE. Check the laws on age of consent again; in most jurisdictions they leave no room for minor/adult contact, REGARDLESS OF CONSENT.

4. Last but not least, you are a sworn officer, and if this continues unabated with your knowledge of the situation, YOU CAN BE JEOPARDIZING YOUR PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION, AND YOUR FUTURE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, as well as Scouting.

You're now a part of this, like it or not - it won't be easy and it will likely get ugly.

The man wears a beret every day, let's heed his experience.

Campaign hat WOULD make a better frisbee, though...

a. Do we really want to look French?

b. Do we have enough white flags to go around?

;-)

Senior Claims Adjuster for an automotive services provider; maintaining ASE Master Technician certification.

Prior lives include:

* Automotive technician for GM and Volvo dealerships.

* Sales/Marketing of automotive restoration parts and accessories.

* Co-owner of a towing and recovery company.

* Involuntary vehicle recovery for financial institutions and independent automotive retailers.

I've spent the last year and a half trying to find folks for my 20 year high school reunion; here's several school search sites that may help you find old Scouts:

Classmates.com (already mentioned)

Reunion.com

Alumni.net

Classreunionsearch.com

Gradfinder.com

Kitnetwork.com

Schoolnews.com

There is a similar site out there; SCOUTMATES.com, that is similar to Classmates.

Also, if you have the time to spend, try punching in names on Google.com - you'd be surprised how many folks you can track down that way.

Trying to be somewhere between Loyal and Friendly,

lasteagle83

TCD - are you telling me where I CAN put the badge, or where I SHOULD put the badge??? ;-)

ASM7 - You picked up on the merit badge sash "test" right away. You can skip latrine duty tomorrow. One question, though: if one did go undercover, how would one know one was in proper undercover uniform? ;-)

KWC57 - Are the "cheesy" hats those foam contraptions worn by Green Bay Packer fans? You know, that team that just lost its first home postseason game since Moses used Clearasil???

Isn't that the bear from the old Addams Family show from the 60's??? You know, the one that made Lurch look short??? ;-)

If, indeed, you are the Uniform Police, what is the proper position for wearing the Uniform Police Badge?

The typical location for a Police Badge, left chest, is taken up with square knots, service stars, and the World Crest. Only badges of rank may be worn on the left pocket, and that is for youth members only. The right chest is proper for a name badge, but would look downright silly to stack a "Uniform Police" badge on top of it. And, since the right pocket is for temporary insignia only that rules it out.

Perhaps we could put it on our merit badge sashes when we wear them on our belts? No, wait, merit badge sashes are for youth only....

I got it - the red patch vest. No, that won't work - since "Uniform Police" would be considered a badge of office, that's a violation, too........

Before anyone enlists in the Uniform Police, someone will need to revise the insignia guide to show where the Uniform Police Badge goes!!! ;-)

(Tongue firmly and surgically embedded in cheek)

sctmom, I haven't been watching it this time around, but I have seen several episodes of it in the past. Watch for the final episode and see what the couple from LA did to make their nights more comfortable........I won't spoil the ending for you....but let's just say they bent the rules beyond recognition (and did some "time traveling" so to speak).

This was a length of rope that had a spliced eye in one end, and a wooden toggle on the other end. Each person could carry their own shorter section of rope (memory serves me as 6 feet), and when linked together (toggle into spliced eye) you could form a rope of whatever length needed. This way, one person didn't have to carry a long rope - each person shared the responsibility equally.

In the 2001 Insignia Guide, p39, there is a "Retired" patch for Employed Personnel that is in the same position as the "Trained" patch.

Just a thought.........