lasteagle83

You folks might want to browse www.scoutmates.com for this info, too; if the unit isn't yet on there, you can register it. Site is similar to classmates.com.

FScouter; thanks for the take-back. "Fat" and "smelly-slovenly" are not interchangeable terms. Anyone of any size can stink and look disheveled in their appearance. As a person of size myself, I constantly fight the stereotypes.

I will add, though, that if this lady is a person of size, she may have medical issues that prevent wearing certain undergarments (due to potential blood circulation problems arising), or perhaps they're simply not available in proper sizing. The ladies out there can probably confirm that latter statement for me. The issue body odor may also be due to medical conditions. I say know her situation before you judge it.

Diver66: No need to apologize for anything you've done starting this thread. You'll soon find these threads take on their own lives and directions - sometimes even WITH all the information!! :-)

You've now given us additional information, though, that makes me possibly agree with you; that is, that this lady is not acting Scoutlike. That alone should lead your actions, regardless of appearance or other issues. I would suggest, though, that just as if you'd give a Cub a chance to "make good" and be a good member of your Pack, you allow this leader the same opportunity. She may be clueless as to the ideals of the organization; she may simply be thinking that it's little more than an after-school club. She may very well be ignorant of the process - and may respond brilliantly with proper coaching. The appearance issues may resolve themselves, too, given the right coaching. Without knowing the full circumstances, perhaps you've already done that, and this is the end of the road for her -- so be it. But give it some thought....

Um, boys, I hate to disrupt your attack on the French, but I believe you were all busy offending the ladies on this forum with your many euphemisms regarding breasts; offending any Scouter of size by calling them fat and slovenly as well as smelly; and pretty much lowering yourselves to the kind of commentary you wouldn't allow your Scouts to make around large people or women in public.

By the way, a 52 inch waist will not fit anywhere near a 38 inch belt. Take your 38 and put it in a 24 and you'll see my point.

This SCOUTER that was mentioned has a problem - one that is affecting her abilities to get along with other SCOUTERS - perhaps some of you hypocritical bigots out there in the crowd haven't had the misfortune of being around a big fat smelly person that was a good Scouter, but who needed some help on personal issues. Or perhaps you have, and just chose to sink to the level you've chosen here, and lost a good Scouter to your ignorance.

Perhaps if you weren't so busy sneaking off to have a cigarette away from your Scouts, or searching the Perverts Thesaurus for new ways to say "booby" you might just take a little more time to add a REALISTIC answer to the conversation, rather than just bash a SCOUTER.

Right now I'm ashamed to be on the forum with some of you, and I doubt I'm alone on that.

But why must you CHANGE the light bulb?

Can't you just accept it as it is?

:-)

Found this website that has some good ideas on the refrigerator - might want to check it out....

http://www.pioneerthinking.com/refrigerator.html

I'm gonna ramble a bit; if you need a cold drink or a sandwich, now is the time to get it...

Folks, let's not forget that 48 or so hours prior to the storm hitting the Gulf Coast, it was headed toward the Florida Panhandle. If my memory serves me correctly, the mandatory evac order was given approximately the same time the storm took a left turn. If an evacuation order had been given earlier, and folks headed east, and the storm continued over the Florida Panhandle, the evac order could still have put folks in harm's way. Catch-22.

Let's do the math on an evacuation: We've just witnessed it take SEVERAL DAYS to evacuate 25,000 some-odd folks from ONE CENTRAL location (Superdome) via bus. If EVERY school bus in that flooded parking lot was deployed in the poorer neighborhoods, without a central location, it would still take SEVERAL DAYS to evacuate all of those who WANTED to be evacuated. Let's say 25,000 folks again, 50 per bus.......500 buses. 100,000 folks, 2000 buses. Were there 2000 available, authorized, capable bus drivers (and buses)? Where would you take 100,000 folks for several days? If you start talking fewer buses, and multiple trips, then you start EXTENDING the amount of time required for an evacuation - which is part of what caused the timeframe for the Superdome evacuation.

Don't get me wrong - I am not being heartless or cruel. My heart truly aches for everyone in LA and MS. I've made my donations, and continue to say my prayers for all those affected - including a growing number here in Atlanta.

Yes, mistakes were made; in epic proportions; from everyone from the average citizen who ignored warnings, to city/state/fed authorities who either didn't know or didn't ask. This was Pearl Harbor all over again - we were sitting ducks, knew it, and still didn't take appropriate measures. The levees were known to have problems, and that's something that has been publicized for YEARS. Those who DID evacuate, and do what was proper, are STILL going to suffer anyway. It's a worst-case scenario that isn't going to be solved easily, quickly, or cheaply.

knottyfox, our prayers are with you. I think I speak for ALL of us here when I say that. You are truly in the middle of hell on earth, and we know that. Our "20/20 hindsight" is from shared anger, embarassment at our mutual authorities, and our anguish at the situation.

I don't think anyone here means to sound insensitive - myself included. Forgive me if I do.

As for "relocating" New Orleans because of potential natural disasters......well, let's just play it safe and relocate EVERY city that has the potential for a natural disaster. Gotta relocate LA and San Fran. Idaho, they're coming your way. Parts of Alaska have potential tsunami dangers - New Mexico, find room for them. The entire Mississippi basin is prone to flooding - all you "river rats" are on your own; find your own place to relocate. Snow up north can cause killer blizzards. Texas should suit those folks just fine.

My point there is that very few places in the US have NO potential climatological or other natural disaster possibilities. Relocating New Orleans physically simply isn't any more feasible than the other relocations I noted above. knottyfox, and the other Lousianans out there, RECLAIM YOUR HOME AND TELL THOSE WHO WANT YOU TO MOVE WHERE THEY CAN GO.

As for the political/racial overtones being thrown at this disaster/response; I for one will no longer listen to it, and have pretty much told a few folks at work today the same final point I'll make here:

THIS COUNTRY MUST STOP POINTING FINGERS OF BLAME, AND START EXTENDING HANDS OF ASSISTANCE.

Otherwise, we're only giving ourselves "the finger".......

soapbox retired.......

If you work for a large company, check to see if your employer is doing any matching (that has been mentioned above as well).

My employer is a subsidiary of Ford Motor Company and is matching employee contributions dollar for dollar.

A Scout is Thrifty....Double your dollars if you can!!

Outstanding idea. All of these displaced young folk need a sense of belonging as quickly as possible.

Think about the difference in the two as well - they're being "PUT" back in school -- versus being "ASKED" back to Scouting.....could be a much needed shot of self-esteem, too....

Perhaps we could start our own radio shows like Janeane Garafolo and Al Franken........let's see, what was that radio network again......oh yea, it's "Err America".......... :-)

www.thefatmanwalking.com

Remember, it's only "God's Country" until Wal-Mart convinces the local government to use eminent domain.......oops, sorry, wrong thread........

happy weekend, everyone!!

Juris, why did you find it necessary to refer to yourself in the third person in your subject line for this post?

lasteagle83 finds it very annoying when people do that.........

This story has been in the media here in Atlanta for several months now.

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/iteam/index.html

The link above is from February when this all hit the fan - updates as to the later United Way withholding funds and Larkin's resignation are not yet attached (as of this post, anyway).

It's a bad situation - cooked numbers, ghost units with large numbers of members, and CO's that didn't even know they HAD a unit. All these problems were reported in inner-city areas; someone's attempt somewhere to meet a quota.

The only positive aspect of this is that it appears it was SCOUTERS who saw the problems, and demanded the truth. While the media will likely continue to give the Council leadership a well-deserved spanking, hopefully the local units will not be affected adversely.

Learn from this, folks..........don't let your council be next.......

Gotta be the GEICO ad with the squirrels causing the wreck, then high-fiving each other. Takes a twisted mind to come up with that - and I respect a twisted mind..... :-)

It's neither racist nor sexist. It's a regional phrase/contraction that I've heard all my life, from folks of various colors, hues, and chromosonal composition. It's in the same vein as "howsyermommanem", "CoCola", and "Imona".

Unfortunately, it's become trendy, just as others have noted, and it will become dated in a year or two, maybe less. I'll share the opinion to leave it alone.....

It's a shame when NIMBY starts trickling down to Scouts and youth groups.....

"Would you rather have a Scout camp used on weekends and a couple weeks a year, or a 24-hour Super Wal-Mart?" :-)

Hazing? I don't know - have they had a younger kid go looking for a left-handed smoke shifter yet??? :-)

Way back in the olden days, our troop took the aluminum stakes out of tents as they were purchased (not real sturdy anyway) and set them aside for the occasional backpacking trip.

Many years (probably late 60's) before I joined my childhood troop in the late 70's, a former Scouter donated a bunch of rebar that was fashioned into tent stakes. It was 1/2" bar, shaped to form a useable head, and with an approx 8-10" shaft angle cut to form a pointed tip. Cutting could be done with die grinder, cutoff tool, or even a torch.

You could bang these things into the rockiest clay dirt imaginable with a 3lb or 5lb sledge, and then pull them out with a claw hammer or a cheap slide-hammer (auto dent puller). We kept a communal "stake bucket" with both the hammers with them.

While we never painted our stakes, if I were to do this project I would wait until they cooled (heating with an acetylene or propane torch may be necessary to get the proper shape), and then dunk them into the brightest orange enamel paint I could find. The bright color would make them less likely to be tripped over, and make them easier to spot when breaking camp.

I NEVER saw one of these stakes bend when driving it into the ground - occasionally one of the heads would take a miscue from the sledge hammer, but these things were around long before I got to the troop, and were still going strong when I left in 1984. In addition, since rebar is ridged along its surface, they were less prone to pull out during a windstorm, or in wet weather (kinda like a ring-shank nail is less likely to pop out of wood).

Downside: They are HEAVY. Not for backpacking. Count on some of your smaller scouts not being able to pick up a large bucket of these, so multiple buckets may be needed (one per patrol?).

Just my $.02 worth......

I'd say aside from the fact it is a great service project, think of the pride the Cubs will take in knowing they've improved their own school.

Yeah, the "Old Fart" and "The Dude" identities are suspended, but the "Jason OK" is still showing up as "Senior Forum Member" as of 10:47 EDT this evening.

I've lurked around all this mess, and have no surprise anyone received a nasty PM from this guy. Guess I've just opened myself up for one, too.

The score is: Scouter.com 1

3-headed Troll 0

3-headed Troll (JasonOK,OldFart,TheDude)created several new topics and postings today, ranting and raving his heads off, saying nothing of value, and outright lying to the congregation.

One post (since cleared by the webmaster) was several hundred lines of jibberish, random letters and typing, etc. Uncleguinea's immediate reply post to this (still there) states he prefers the Cliff's notes version (just so Uncle doesn't have folks scratching their (singular) heads wondering what he is talking about).

Thank you, Terry, for getting a handle on things. Perhaps now these forums can regain their former self, and those who left (both lurker and non-lurker alike) can return to this forum in peace.

Googled up this link........

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jun/06272004/utah/179165.asp

From this report, he wasn't a Scout, just happened to be hiking with a Scout troop.

I think there would be problems carrying out the "show and do" portion of the requirements without violating at least 23.5 guidelines of YP..... :-)

I have SpyBot installed, and update regularly, and have the popup blocker from Google (both are free, by the way). I only have minimal popups; will have some when I visit a Yahoo site, but that's about it. Your mileage may vary, of course......

Here's a link I found while doing some surfing; a listing of numerous events/activities including a Scout troop. Might be of some assistance, though.......

http://www.aadd.org/html/sacp.html