SPA

I don't know if this thread is still relevant but there are several active packs depending on whether you want one at a school or church or location, east side closer to Sumter etc. I assume you may have already found one, if not let me know and I'd be happy to help. I am a Pack CC for 3 years as well at our Troops CC.

Our Troop was founded about a year ago with the crossover of our Pack's Webelos who were not getting a very good background in Scouting from their DL. I say this because the DL didn't take any initiative, didn't enjoy camping and basically signed off on any requirements necessary for moving up . Essentially they were book Scouts. Fast forward to the new Troop. Those crossing over became our new Patrol. Six months later after attending summer camp, we had five more Scouts through recruitment. Our SPL rocks.....great patience, good with all the Scouts and a great dad who is an ASM.

But we have no true Senior Patrol for the junior patrols to learn from; no ceremonies in place, decorations for COH etc. Everything is having to be done from scratch........here is the problem. The SM keeps saying "it's a boy led program" and he shows that by not aiding, guiding or other wise helping to get the Troop moving. He shows up late for the meeting and say to the SPL, "you don't need to wait on me, get started". Am I missing something?

EDGE method would imply educating & demonstrating before the Scout was to go at it on his own. I know the SM is trained....as the CC I went to SM Training so I could have a better foundation of a Troop's environment. But it seems the SM is literally depending on everyone else to fill in (both in time & materials)

Would any of you recommend the Troop CC or ASM talking with the SM as to his plan of getting this troop moving? or at least better organized?

Our Troop was founded about a year ago with the crossover of our Pack's Webelos who were not getting a very good background in Scouting from their DL. I say this because the DL didn't take any initiative, didn't enjoy camping and basically signed off on any requirements necessary for moving up . Essentially they were book Scouts. Fast forward to the new Troop. Those crossing over became our new Patrol. Six months later after attending summer camp, we had five more Scouts through recruitment. Our SPL rocks.....great patience, good with all the Scouts and a great dad who is an ASM.

But we have no true Senior Patrol for the junior patrols to learn from; no ceremonies in place, decorations for COH etc. Everything is having to be done from scratch........here is the problem. The SM keeps saying "it's a boy led program" and he shows that by not aiding, guiding or other wise helping to get the Troop moving. He shows up late for the meeting and say to the SPL, "you don't need to wait on me, get started". Am I missing something?

EDGE method would imply educating & demonstrating before the Scout was to go at it on his own. I know the SM is trained....as the CC I went to SM Training so I could have a better foundation of a Troop's environment. But it seems the SM is literally depending on everyone else to fill in (both in time & materials)

Would any of you recommend the Troop CC or ASM talking with the SM as to his plan of getting this troop moving? or at least better organized?

I have often searched for this same answer and I'm glad to know I am not the only one who has seen the same problem with their DE's. At first I thought maybe I was missing something since the previous CM didn't ever mention any problems at the District/Council level. As the Pack & Troops CC, I've come to realize the old CM was basically guiding the DE to her schedule. And as many of you posted, the DE doesn't come around till FOS and application collection or when they need "volunteers". Hard to respect or want to interact with the District/Council when they seem so disconnected from us Units.