Lynda J, I think that you should learn a little bit more about a tapout ceremony. They are not allowed anymore because they were very violent and painful. There were many ways to do them. I have witnessed one that the people being "tapped" out were basically tackled and then taken near a fire. My scoutmaster tells me that when he was a child the chief would slam his hand onto your shoulder and almost dislocate it. They are NOT allowed anymore, but people still do them.
Also, this may not sound very scoutlike, but what is with all this no secrets crap. I believe that OA should be kept secret
