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By the way, DD - I'm 100% behind you. Your position makes absolute sense to me and I fully agree. I'm proud to be a Scouter and donate all the time I do because of BSA's stand on principle.

Morality, by its very nature, implies a standard for right and wrong. Like it or not, our Country's laws are founded on Judeo-Christian principles and those are the principles that should define morality as far as BSA is concerned. The real issue and why we will never agree here. We have two sides here: one that believes in absolute moral standards and the other that believes in moral relativism - meaning no standards at all except for what each person defines for himself. These two positions are mutually exclusive, plain and simple, and that is why we will never agree here. Maybe we shou

6. And actually you dont really want your own organization; your real mission is to change the values and beliefs of others. This is, and always has been, the real agenda. The same people who teach tolerance are consistently intolerant of others who do not agree with their viewpoint. Ironic, isn't it.

I agree that this cannot become a local discretionary issue - that would certainly be the death of the program because as OGE has stated, that opens up other items such as advancements, training, etc. to local discretion, as well. Those who are unwilling to accept the National policy should leave the program. I would have much more respect for someone who would leave the program on principle than stay in the program and circumvent the established and stated policies of BSA. That said, I will point out once again that the establishment of alternative Scouting programs is not in the cards.

Khepera - I printed out the Crafting Gay Children article and have bookmarked the RSVP America website. I know I have heard of Judith Reisman before, but I can't place the connection. At any rate, this is really disturbing stuff that gets suppressed by the liberal, pro-homosexual media and once again goes to show that the homosexual lifestyle is not just an innocuous alternative lifestyle as we would be led to believe. Once again, I am glad we have made the decision to home school and have gotten away from the clear Kinsey-esque agenda in the government schools.

scoutmom - you are right, not everyone has the resources to home school, however, you might be surprised at how home schooling can be done. My wife is a flight attendant and is out of town at times, but , because you can be very flexible with home school, we can have school on weekends, in the evening or just double up when she is home. It actually works quite well. We were in the public school system until just this year, when we finally gave up on the public school system. We are located in California where social engineering takes precedence over actual academics. Because of all the s

Khepera - good one! I just had time to scan through it, but bookmarked it to read later. Interestingly enough, just after I posted my message above, I was reading through my March 2002 edition of Citizen magazine, which is published by Focus on the Family. They have a very informative article in there on the tactics of pedophiles to legitimize their sexual preferences, mainly through the use of "scientific" research which shows young children can make choices on sexual partners and that children who have had sexual relationships with older men have no negative psychological impacts from t

DD makes a valid point about non-differentiation between different forms of perversion but he may be just a bit ahead of the curve here. As something of a trend tracker, I can clearly see a greater and growing acceptance of what today we would clearly agree would be unacceptable forms of perversion. Today, we are asked to accept "committed" homosexual couples as just a normal, alternative lifestyle. That doesn't appear to be too much to ask, right? The problem is that is today. Tomorrow, we will be asked to accept sadism and masochism as just an alternative lifestyle and the day after th

We are members of Home School Legal Defense Association and I just can't say enough good things about them. We get their weekly email newsletters and it is just amazing to me how many government schools out there are harassing home schoolers and telling them things that absolutely not true in order to make it as difficult as possible for them. HSLDA steps in and defends these people's legal rights to home school. Thank God for an organization like HSLDA that helps these people out. Please pass along to your uncle our appreciation for everything they do. We may not have had to use their se

I think it will come up that family involvment will be a big factor followed by scouting. I think that is pretty well documented already. Strong family involvment, teaching of values and being available to your children is critical to their well being and emotional development. That is why the Hillary Clinton "It Takes a Village" philosophy scares me so much. The ability to be together and spend quality time as a family is just so very important. it is something I have to remind myself of all the time as I get wrapped up in my own projects. Spend time with your kids! You (and they) wi

My point was this: there is a very specific agenda out there and facts are not allowed to get in the way of it. No one said that there are not bad apples among any group. The Kinsey study that spawned the ten percent myth was based on obviously flawed data. Don't forget, the Kinsey study was done in 1948 and at least six studies since then (1970 - 1994) have shown the homosexual portion of the population to be in the two to three percent range on a pretty consistent basis. Yet, the homosexual lobby persists in telling everyone that ten percent of the population is homosexual. The Los Ange

Bob Russell: I would have to disagree with you in your remarks to Dedicated Dad. Homosexuality is inherently a dangerous lifestyle and all the talk about loving, committed partners is just a smokescreen. I'm sure there are some, but the fact remains that most homosexuals have many sexual partners and tend towards ever increasing bizarre sexual activities such as bondage and sadism to keep the thrill going. Homosexuals have, as a group, shorter lifespans than heterosexuals because of this lifestyle. It is not just an alternative lifestyle - that is the propaganda that is spewed constantly.

This is our first year home schooling (my son is 11 years old and in "6th grade"). We are so happy we made the move after planning for it for almost a year. We gathered a lot of information, made decisions on cirriculum and joined a several home school support groups. There have certainly been some trials, but the experience has been very rewarding. We do know a lot of hime schooling peope through Scouts and that has been a resource for us as well. Just as an example, my son is doing 8th grade math and reading while his writing skills leave something to be desired and he is performing at

BTW does the DC have anything to do with the District District Commissioner. Also, working on setting up a targeted program within our Council for home schoolers.

Public schools employ gay teachers and no one sees a threat to their kids over this. People aren't pulling their kids out of school because of this. Guess again. Have you seen the growth in home schooling in this country? My wife and I home school and know many others who do as well and many them are also involved in Scouts. Any guesses on why they choose to home school? Might it have something to do with the abandonment of education and the promotion of social engineering including a big push on incorporating homosexual "awareness" into all areas of the cirriculum. Have you seen the NE

What baffles me the greatest is why someone doesnt start the Gay Scouts? The answer to this question should be obvious. The agenda is not to have an organization that is inclusive of homosexuals. Quite the opposite. The agenda is to destroy every vestige of traditional family values, moral absolutes and personal responsibility and to replace them with moral relativism. From many of the responses and comments I see on this forum, it is working. People do not see any problem with letting our values slip away a little bit at a time, but one day we will wonder what happened to them and h

sctmom - Once again I hear the refrain of there is no right or wrong - everyone should make their own choices. I am here to tell you there are absolute rights and wrongs in this world. The words you are speaking are propaganda right out of the Humanist Manifesto 2000. If you do not think there is an agenda out there and these attacks on the Boy Scouts are not part of it, I would urge you to read this book. It is not real long and should be available from your local library. If after reading this, you don't understand what the agenda and tactics are, then maybe a bit further reading

The only threat that national sees in gays is the loss og the LDS troops and other troops chartered to churches that take the "anti-gay" stance. I think you are sadly mistaken if you think that this is only about membership numbers or money. This is the thought process of a typical political liberal. It really is a matter of principle. Unfortunately, in these days of relativistic values, many people do not understand taking a stand on principle or even why having and teaching values is imporant. In discussions with people from National and at the Council level, I think they understan

I just have to weigh in here when I hear people talking about the Bible being myth and stories and that there is no literal factual basis for many of the Old Testament accounts (and for all I know you may be addressing the New Testament as well). As a geologist and avid student of Genesis, I can assure you that there is sound factual basis and, in many cases, archaeological evidence supporting the Bible. I too once thought that, as a scientist, that the Bible was a collection of fables, myths and stories designed to illustrate a point, but that they were not literally true. When I bega

Thank God. The Boy Scouts often stand alone in their defense of positive morals and traditional values. They are a breath of fresh air in these days of "opinion poll politics."

I am a strong supporter of the Boy Scouts because of their stand on traditional values - that is why I put in all the volunteer time I do. It is one of the few organizations that is willing stand up to the humanist agenda to degrade our value system. In talking with Scout leaders, while a number of them are supportive of homosexual Scout leaders, many of them would leave Scouting if this changed and many more may or may not stay but would be much less committed to the program if they did stay. Although I am not LDS, I deal a lot with LDS Scout units and I can affirm that they would leave the S