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Brent, I know you mean well, but you are gusssing on numbers. I, on the other hand, have the 2005 budget in front of me. I will not publish numbers here as that serves no purpose, but I am discussing what I see with my district committe chair. In 2005 a significant of money, but not the full $3 million, was collected into one of the trust accounts that is named in such a way to indicate that it is for Camps. I do not know the rules associated with the use of the funds from that account. I do not know if a decision was made to park the funds there for a while to earn some interest b

If the county, state, or SWFMD were interested in CFE as a park before, why would they not still have the same interest now? Discussions were held with Foundation for Dreams, another youth group, to purchase the camp and use it as a youth camp. The rezoning does not make the land valueless. It insures that it stays a youth camp, park, preserve, or some other sort of green space. We could still sell it to the County, State, Foundation for Dreams. We don't need the money now (I know, my COR gave me a copy of the budget). We do need a camp now. Quit fighting the suit, quit fight

What does your SE think of Sunny Florida? It's really nice here. If not him personally, does anybody he has trained wanna come? Please... We really don't think ALL SE's are evil. Heck, I wouldn't dare to speak for anybody except my own. But mine nor any of the other top brass does any of that around here. I've got a great DE for now, but the SE kept firing and not replacing DE's for YEARS. I hope we can keep this one. We do fall short on FOS funds, but we'd need to keep a DE for more than a year to get the pipeline going. Hopefully we get to keep this DE and things will wor

This isn't about France and we're all going off into left field by going here. ALL of us, the folks I agree with and the folks I disagree with. This is about making Scouting all it can be. If BrentAllen's council really runs as well as he asserts it does, then that is how I want my council to run too. Up to the district level, we run as a cohesive unit. All of us, unit leaders, district volunteers, DE. All of us. We also have a pretty strong, albeit informal, cohesion among districts. But it breaks down at the council level. The SE and the Executive Comittee create the "

Slip of the tonuge (or finger as the case may be). By "council" I really mean "guys in Ft. Myers"..... I do not have a problem with the professional Scouters. Love my DE. I run my Pack the best I can. I help in Council and District events. I am becoming more active in my disctrict. I have only been doing this 3 years, but I am taking on more and more. I fully get that we ALL are the council. But a few or the top officials in Ft. Myers do not agree. THEY are the ones who foster the feeling that it's an us and them thing. I'm doing my part. I do more each year and I don't

Hey PackSaddle, thanks for the greeting. Brent, Perhaps I've been a bit harsh. I really do not know you and I jumped the gun on judging. You don't know the area down here fully and therefore don't fully understand the issue. The Manatee District is really 2 distinct areas with sharply different demographics. Previously the entire district was rather low income, participated poorly, and fell short on FOS donations. We still do not fully pull our weight, but we are improving. East Manatee, the area where my Pack is and the area where Camp Flying Eagle is, is a fast growing,

Anybody who believed the organization should be run from the top down is bad. Anybody who believes the organization should be run from the bottom up is good. I DO understand how a council is run. I am in close touch with my DE (whom I think is a "good guy") and my Executive Council member (also "good guy"). I am in the process of getting trained and volunteering for sub-comittee position on the District Board. I am a true believer in the values of Scouting. I have not desire to kill BSA, only to fix it.

Is "BrentAllen" the "company man" who's job it is to keep down the "uppity help"? How does Scouting turn good Scouters into 6 figure goons? One must question if they were ever good Scouters in the first place. The SE is judged SOLELY by how much money he brings in and not on the quality of the program. That is one big reason they do the things they do. BSA does not need more money, they need enough money to run the program. Camps should only be sold if: 1) The council is cash poor, failing, and needs to choose between doing that and shutting down entirely. 2) A better qu

Despite what Mr. Hampton says, he did actively solicit offers for the camp and is continuing to do so despite the pending lawsuit. Mr. Hampton did not consult the Executive Comittee before dismissing Colonel "Red Dog" Maynard. Rather he attempted to do it sumarily and ulilaterally. It was only after the fact that the Executive Council pointed out to Mr. Hampton that a vote was required. Said vote is to be held Wednesday. The Manatee County seat on the executive committee is NOT vacant. It is filled by an individual whom I correspond with or speak to on a near daily basis.

Hello from Bradenton, Florida. Join us at http://www.savecfe.org for the full story. Camp Flying Eagle is a Boy Scout camp located in Eastern Manatee County in Florida. This camp has a long history. In 1929, the Manatee County Boys Development Association (a scout-booster group) raised $2,000 to buy this land. This land was leased to the Sunny Land Council until 1991. In 1991, the land was deeded to the Council. This transfer was done with the understanding and stipulation that this land be kept for scouting purposes and would not be sold. In 1995, the Sunny Land Council merged

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