Jcfraz

NJ, Thank you for your response and your past responses. I really appriciate your help. -Jcfraz

The reason I don't say the pledge is because; a.It was written by a socialist: Francis Bellamy b.Our nation isn't,"indivisible" c.* d.A citzen doesn't need a pledge to there country's flag to prove there patriotism *it can not be enforced because people that don't want to say it, that have to, can't be forced to mean it. And if they don't, what's the point??? -Jcfraz

Mr. Mori, I understand what you mean... What I was trying to say is that(sad to say) our nation, in the Way it uses God's name, says that everyone who has a religion can say the pledge becuase were talking about everybodies god. I don't have any ploblem whatsoever saying; under God. As Acco said, a citizen shouldn't have to say the pledge to prove their patriotism. -Jcfraz

Mr. Mori- I'm Very sorry for the response I posted accusing you of cussing, I didn't realize you were quoting someone.(By the way, who were you quoting?) No, my problem isn't with saying "One Nation, Under God". Our Nation was founded on Biblical principals, but our country doen't support Christianity like it did then. I'm sorry I didn't say, the article I posted is not something I wrote; it's an editorial my dad wrote. God is Soverign, Jcfraz

In the reply you used the word "s***". Wait , Mr. Mori. Whos got scout spirit: the person cussing, or the person who is just trying to stay in scouts without violating his convictions??? And to answer your question, I'm not refusing to say the pledge because I don't want to say "under God". Please read the article I posted entitled "one nation under God, indiviable", really.

No, I'm not just trying to come up with somthing to fight about. My family and i just don't believe that the pledge it right, or nessasary to say. thanks,Jcfraz

"One nation, under God, indivisible..." Really? The current debate over the pledge of allegiance is an interesting one. Theres more to the discussion than most are aware. Back in 1892, the 400th anniversary of Columbus discovery of America, a man named Francis Bellamy penned the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States. Bellamys purpose? Well, the Baptist pastor and open socialist had one goal in mind: to promote a fanatic nationalism in young children and adults alike. That is, a sentiment toward the state, our federal government, of unwavering devotion. But,

Thanks for your help. First off, I'm not a Quaker,(I'm a Presbytirian) I just don't believe in saying an oath to a flag. I also don't believe that our country is (as the pledge says,) indivisible. If the BSA will waver that for the Quakers, I hope they will understand my positian. Yes, I have done the req. that says to say the pledge. I'm just trying to get past that without having to say the pledge, (THERE"S JUST GOTTA BE A WAY!)

Thank you everyone for your responses. They have all been helpfull. My current situation is that I will be 1st class soon but when My scout master found out Saying the pledge is aigainst my religios beliefs he questioned my qualifications to pass any ranks at all! If any one kn ows about anything that says I couldn't please tell me. -Jcfraz

should Boy Scouts have to say the pledge to pass in rank?

"One nation, under God, indivisible..." Really? The current debate over the pledge of allegiance is an interesting one. Theres more to the discussion than most are aware. Back in 1892, the 400th anniversary of Columbus discovery of America, a man named Francis Bellamy penned the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States. Bellamys purpose? Well, the Baptist pastor and open socialist had one goal in mind: to promote a fanatic nationalism in young children and adults alike. That is, a sentiment toward the state, our federal government, of unwavering devotion. But,