grizzly702

Just saw this- how does this change the landscape?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/key-part-of-law-helping-child-sex-abuse-victims-sue-is-unconstitutional-nc-court-rules/ar-AAS01Id?ocid=hplocalnews

https://oa-bsa.org/magellan

National OA has cut from 4 regions to 2. 

Nothing listed about sub divisions like Areas or Sections yet.

2 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:

Thanks. Somehow I doubt pushing the deadline back to March 2022 is  going to stop churches from dropping/refusing to sign recharters in December.

Especially if your charter runs out on 3/31/2022. How do you plan for this?

So this just came out. 

https://www.sharecast.com/news/market_reports/press-release-the-hartford-announces-new-agreement-in-principle-with-boy-scouts-of-america-and-majority-of-claimants--8090440.html

Press Release: The Hartford Announces New Agreement-In-Principle With Boy Scouts Of America And Majority Of Claimants

$787 million.

Here is the MSN/Reuters link

 Hartford Financial to pay $787 million in Boy Scouts sex abuse insurance settlements http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAOrmyK?ocid=se

On Reddit r/bsa there was a comment that the judge has ended the BSA exclusivity period. Has this been confirmed? And what happens next?

I guess we aren't the Gold standard for YPT any more

https://safe.baberuthleague.org/#/background 

https://www.baberuthleague.org/child-protection-program.aspx

They even keep score and post the number of rejections 

20 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

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Pathway to Adventure has significant cash and land assets. A publicly available 990 form shows cash, as of the end of 2019, totaling $27,401,939. Additionally, Pathway to Adventure owns a Camp Napowan in Wisconsin – 400 acres, three-and-a-half hours from headquarters in Chicago. It also owns the Owasippe Scout reservation – 4,800 acres, three-and-a-half hours from headquarters. Pathway to Adventure has essentially conceded Owasippe is not a core asset. In 2012, it solicited bids for the property and a member of the Chicago Area Council Board conceded that “We can run a good Boy Scout camp on a few hundred acres. We don’t need 5,000.”2 In addition to two camps, equidistant to Chicago, BSA owns a building and lot in the West Loop neighborhood of Chicago known as the Steve Fossett Center for Scouting. The West Loop is one of the most sought-after areas of real estate development in Chicago. This is in addition to three other offices the same Council maintains in Arlington Heights, Illinois; La Grange, Illinois and Munster, Indiana. It is not clear why a non-profit requires four offices, much less one in a neighborhood with numerous bars and hotels, but few youths.

 

I suppose I should have put the right quote in. 

I just saw on the Pathways to Adventure site that they are going to close the Scout shop in the west Loop store. Probably in anticipation of moving that office to one of the others. 

18 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

I looked at a few and they are consistent.  Insurance companies have different reasons. One was very interesting as they are targeting a specific council.

 

This firm represents 4,000 claimants.

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/7cef4ee9-129c-42d4-8e66-7e691ea43021_3284.pdf

I found it interesting to see how they look at council finances and camps.  I had a feeling that councils selling camps left and right (just for operational cash) would come back and haunt us ... 

 

I seem to remember that the courts have already ruled that Owasippe can not be sold unless it was a camp. The new owners could not develop it due to zoning. I think this was in federal courts.

This was part of the whole Chicago Area Council attempt to get money that resulted in several court cases, 2 different executive boards, the scout exec being fired, CAC with condtional charter and several million spent on lawyers already. 

And let me guess the SE stayed the same and is probably still there

18 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

I cannot tell you how many times I've been the one to tell Council and District level professionals about things from National. BSA's communications apparatus is just horrible and it has not gotten any better over the years. I'd even say it is worse, but that might be overselling the point.

But it does reinforce the perception that a professional scouter is useless.  There are some DE's ( and some SE's) that are truly useless but after seeing what my favorite DE has had to go through the last 2+ years. I have a new found appreciation for the job.

The attrition rate for DEs is north of 50% in the first 2 years in good times.

The pay translates to about $12.00/hour-( figure $36K divided by 60 hours of nights and weekends  a week times 50 weeks.) No home/ work life balance. If you do your job you might get 3% raise. When you get to Senior DE you might get 5% and a whole lot more responsibility like camp director or  fundraising or media director on top of your 40 +units.  Try doing that in a pandemic with 40% reduction in membership, businesses closed for a year and a bankruptcy. And for the councils in Eastern North Carolina add in 2 hurricanes in the last 3 years. 

Our council has 2 DE and 1 Senior DE open that are not being filled at this point. The Field director is overseeing the district that has the SDE slot. The other 2 slots were for districts that had a District director and a DE. 

So a lot of positions are not being filled or advertised at this point.  But the DE's that are there need better pay.  They are struggling now with no hope in sight. National needs to be transparent as possible.  It is pretty bad when I get more official information from this forum than my DE gives me. 

I just looked it up in the staff guide. Here is the official training list

1Scoutings Basic Leader Training Courses

■ New Leader Essentials

All adult leaders

■ Leader specific training for

Den leaders

Cubmasters

Webelos leaders

Tiger Cub leaders

Pack committee members

Troop committee members

Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters

Varsity Scout Coaches and assistant Coaches

Venturing leaders

■ Commissioner basic training for commissioners

■ District committee training for district committee members

■ Council committee training or executive board orientation for council volunteers

Previous versions of leader training courses are acceptable prerequisites.

2Scoutings Outdoor Skills Training

■ Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills (required for Scoutmasters, assistant Scoutmasters,

and Varsity coaches and assistants)

(All participants are encouraged to complete the Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills training

before attending a Wood Badge course, but it is not required.)

Hope this helps

Grizzly

On the course the CD had the 3 staff development days and we had 3 troop guide meetings. The staff days were from 8 am until 4. The guide meeting lasted a couple of hours each and we covered the ticket process and our project. So was I prepared? Yes but I also spent time practicing my presentations ( my cats could probably recite them verbatum) and reveiwing the staff guide on my own. So there is a lot of time you can spend on this preparing for those two weekends. Is it worth it? You bet it is. This was the best Scouting experience I have had.

I used to be a Bear.....

Grizzly

I was in the same boat earlier this year. Theone who had this info was our DE. It took a while to find out since the regions send the schedules to the SE and then the SE gets it to the DE's. So ask your DE he/she may have it

YIS

Grizzly 702

In our council we have combined the OWL and the IOLS into one course weekend. The courses are virtually identical. We mix SM's,ASM's and Cubleaders in a patrol. We break out one session to teach the Actvity badges to Webelos leaders and the Scoutmasters go on an orienteering hike. It has worked out well. The seasoned scouters teach the newer ones and it builds rapport between Boy Scout and Cub leaders. This may be a solution to having councils cancelling OWL due to lack of interest. It also gives the Webelos leaders a hint of what they will be getting into at the troop level.

Hope this helps