I'm watching a young man with initiative get all his Eagle MB's and be ready (by the book) for Life at age 13, this May. His leadership / responsibility to date is Scribe and Den Chief. As you likely know, your mileage may vary with Den Chief from great to lackluster.
I'm saddened because he has just been elected ASPL. If he does well, he'll learn and grow as ASPL and make a contribution. Then I can rest easy with him as an Eagle Candidate. If he does poorly, he's "served his time" and qualifies for Eagle. However, I'm glad I don't have to sign his application as SM or TCC and I certainly won't sign his book under leadership as an ASM.
So, I just tipped my hand. I'm just an ASM that is an Eagle from the 80's. Am I being to harsh? Guide to Advancement says that Units can neither add nor subtract from the rules. In particular, Units may not add requirements / goals to youth for Leadership / Responsibility after elected. So on paper, he completed the requirement. It is unlikely that a District / Council BoR would "fail" him at his Eagle BoR.
It seems the only latitude a Troop has with a Life Scout is for the SM to tell all ASM's to refuse to sign off on Leadership / Responsibility unless the Scout achieves a set of pre-defined goals. All the guidebooks say about ASPL is that it qualifies for this requirement and that you are "one heartbeat away from SPL". That's pretty poorly defined.
The wisest advice I got was to hold the Scout to his "campaign promises" he made to his fellow Scouts. That is his true litmus test of success because he set the goals himself. The only other people that could legitimately set goals are the SM and SPL.
Should I just bite my tongue and let the great Scoutmaster in the sky decide at the pearly gates of Gilwell? Should I push the SM and SPL? Should I use the ILST as the opportunity to lock-in those campaign promises as his measure of advancement? Is that even allowed?
Watching a Scout rise without leadership / what's a Scouter to do?
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I'm watching a young man with initiative get all his Eagle MB's and be ready (by the book) for Life at age 13, this May. His leadership / responsibility to date is Scribe and Den Chief. As you likely know, your mileage may vary with Den Chief from great to lackluster.
I'm saddened because he has just been elected ASPL. If he does well, he'll learn and grow as ASPL and make a contribution. Then I can rest easy with him as an Eagle Candidate. If he does poorly, he's "served his time" and qualifies for Eagle. However, I'm glad I don't have to sign his application as SM or TCC and I certainly won't sign his book under leadership as an ASM.
So, I just tipped my hand. I'm just an ASM that is an Eagle from the 80's. Am I being to harsh? Guide to Advancement says that Units can neither add nor subtract from the rules. In particular, Units may not add requirements / goals to youth for Leadership / Responsibility after elected. So on paper, he completed the requirement. It is unlikely that a District / Council BoR would "fail" him at his Eagle BoR.
It seems the only latitude a Troop has with a Life Scout is for the SM to tell all ASM's to refuse to sign off on Leadership / Responsibility unless the Scout achieves a set of pre-defined goals. All the guidebooks say about ASPL is that it qualifies for this requirement and that you are "one heartbeat away from SPL". That's pretty poorly defined.
The wisest advice I got was to hold the Scout to his "campaign promises" he made to his fellow Scouts. That is his true litmus test of success because he set the goals himself. The only other people that could legitimately set goals are the SM and SPL.
Should I just bite my tongue and let the great Scoutmaster in the sky decide at the pearly gates of Gilwell? Should I push the SM and SPL? Should I use the ILST as the opportunity to lock-in those campaign promises as his measure of advancement? Is that even allowed?