BadenP, thanks for the welcome...I guess, as I've never been blown off quite like that before. I aways thought that in an open forum, no persons' input is "irrelevant." I did not state that BSA was a British program. "Uniquely American?" say wa? What about the Baden-Powell award? Do A Good Turn Daily? The World Crest? And the "World" Conservation award? If we are so "special" and "unique" why bother having a World Jamboree? Granted the government of the PRC is screwed up, but I think that maybe us Americans should give back the trillions of dollars/yuan that we have gladly spent on our VISA's