billandt

Hi there, Great videos! I am not able to download them to a DVD to show at a pack meeting. Is there a way to download them. I didn't know if You Tube had a lock on the videos. Appreciate any help. I can't wait to show these to the scouts and families.

Cubmaster Moore

Yes, I started a new pack back in November. It has been a lot of work but worth every moment. I started the pack with 9 scouts and we currently have 23 enrolled and have not even recruited in the schools yet. Words gets out and people tend to like leaders that follow the rules. On another note, I have a den leader that seems to buck authority and it is not just mine. Argues with CC at funtions in front of scouts, argues w me, has withheld pack property, you can count on this leader to be 20 min late to every funtion. This leader even threatned our DE to go to his boss when they did not agree on something. Our Council (verbally) told me that wanted this leader removed and was glad I was paying attention. This leader showed up 30 min late to a elementary school. DE just happened to drop by the school that day and was pretty upset to have a mad principal on his hands. Well that gives you the picture and yes is seems like our COR may not have experience in this regard. Our COR has not idea that this leader has withheld keys to the CO that the COR asked to be given to CM.

I think the DE, COR and CC need to sit down and plead with COR to at least give this some thought and consideration and then we will honor his opinion. But he needs an informed opinion.

This is a den leader we are talking about to clarify, not the CM or AC. Well I will research into the recharter option. I have no idea who has to sign off on that. I have only had to pay the annual fee for my child/scout in the pack and for myself as a another leader. Doesn't the COR control who recharters as well? Seems like the ball is still in his court. He has no idea of what this leader has done. When i called to speak w him, within minutes he said he didnt want to hear the details. I am the CM, by the way. So to show respect, I didn't push him. The Committee Chair would like to email the COR and attach a typed up list of the issues with this leader and hope he will at least look at it. Whether the COR realizes it or not by not taking no action and "staying out of it" he is being involved and affecting the Pack. We have such a wonderful Pack...kids and parents. It is a shame it seems like there is always one person out there causing problems.

The input is great from this website.

Thx!

Hi there

This is a great website for info...been reading for a while now.

Recently in our pack a leader has not been abiding by the scout law and not being a good example to the scouts. The committee voted and agreed this leader was breaking all types of scout rules and we wanted him removed. Our Council office said without the COR's approval our pack committee can not vote out a den leader. Is this true? I have read they approve a leader so does that mean our committee has no authority on making someone leave? The COR says he just doesn't want to get involved or look back for giving someone the boot. But keeping someone in that is not worthy of the uniform and bad for the kids concerns me.

Thanks for any input.

ok, thank you for being direct. I do agree with you...just hope the COR doesn't get aggravated if we go against his direction. I will do my best and hope for the best.

This is a great forum. I believe my questions have been answered.

Yours in Scouting,

Teresa

We are just being told the original 10 boys should not be split up. Which I understand there view. It is just a very large den with the new 6 scouts after recruitment. Too bad a leader didn't come from the new scout families.

There is another DL that has shown an interest in being a CM (not me)but they are a DL in our current pack. So I understand if we start a new pack this DL wld have to be CM only. I personaly was hoping for ACM and still remain DL with my boys. I am definitely smart enough not to take on more than 2 roles. If the other dens are too crowded, maybe others wld feel the same way and welcome another smaller pack. If enough interest, I think a new pack cld work. I have received good info and I appreciate the forums time.

Thanks for more input. I wld be holding mtgs at my home like previous years, so space is not an issue. I did talk w/the D.E. and he was a great guy! He totally understands the concerns of creating another den but suggested I possibly start a new pack if I had any others in the same situation in the pack with large den numbers. I guess I am leaning to that route since I don't want to argue with these folks about this issue. I have put forward very good reasons to have 2 dens and they say no. The committee has met with the COR and I don't see him changing his mind. The DE didn't seem to want to push them if they were unwilling to comply. It may be more work as I wld be ACM and DL in a new pack, but the scouts are worth it. Two families have really pleaded to keep all the scouts together, so I guess it is just a judgement call. I do commend the packs for not turning scouts away... that wld be hard for me to do. I might wld recommend a waiting list once a den has reached 10 scouts to prevent this in the future. I do understand some people feel we are going backwards by splitting. Do you know if the CM can also be a DL?

T

you guys sure know your stuff. I knew I would find some answers here. I am going to try and digest the info and sleep on it. Thanks a million for all the great info. I love scouting and am not going to let this minor conflict get me down. The smiles on the faces of my scouts when they come in the door asking what cool game is in store, makes it worth every minute! I know these are very sensitive issues though.

thanks again.

Teresa

thanks for the info. From my reading and research, I was under the impression the Committee led by the Committee Chair was in charge of these matters. but I have also been told the COR has all decidiing authority. Does or can Council come in to help if having two smaller manageable dens is the best solution for the 15 scouts? Everyone in my pack believes the COR has final say and can overturn the committee. I really hate to see some of these good kids leave. The COR actually requested that the parents hold a "parents meeting" to make sure what the parents desires were. We met as told and 4 said yes to 2 dens, 2 said no, 2 said they were flexible out of the orginial families. The COR advised us he decided several days before the parent mtg to keep the den together. He made the parents vote now has ignored their voice. some parents are very upset so I said I would seek info.

Thx, T

I have been in scouting for two years now. My son is a Bear this year and since the Tiger year I jumped in as DL and have continued along with taking care of the awards for our pack and being on committee. I feel like i have a pretty good sense of how things are handled or as least i did until recently. We have had an average of 9/10 scouts, a few have come and gone, that have been w me since tigers. We recently recruited 6 new boys. The Committee Chair and I discussed two dens with this high no. Several parents want two dens as some of the boys/parents dont get along perfectly. Four parents agreed to go into a seperate den w/me and I offered to take a few new scouts or none at all whichever made everyone happy. Another parent from the original den wants to be a leader so we have 2 DL and 2 DLA. Two parents fussed that they wanted to keep all the original boys together but there is no one from the new members wanting to take a DL role. Our COR will not allow the den to split thus leaving 15 boys in a Bear Den. Four of the families may quit scouting because they feel the COR will not honor their request for a new den which wld be safer, give ea scout more attn in the den, etc. I am schocked that no one is honoring the guidlines of 6-8 in a den or that of the request of these four families to be in a seperate den since we have the means. Any info wld be greatly appreciated.

Thx, T

I have been in scouting for two years now. My son is a Bear this year and since the Tiger year I jumped in as DL and have continued along with taking care of the awards for our pack and being on committee. I feel like i have a pretty good sense of how things are handled or as least i did until recently. We have had an average of 9/10 scouts, a few have come and gone, that have been w me since tigers. We recently recruited 6 new boys. The Committee Chair and I discussed two dens with this high no. Several parents want two dens as some of the boys/parents dont get along perfectly. Four parents agreed to go into a seperate den w/me and I offered to take a few new scouts or none at all whichever made everyone happy. Another parent from the original den wants to be a leader so we have 2 DL and 2 DLA. Two parents fussed that they wanted to keep all the original boys together but there is no one from the new members wanting to take a DL role. Our COR will not allow the den to split thus leaving 15 boys in a Bear Den. Four of the families may quit scouting because they feel the COR will not honor their request for a new den which wld be safer, give ea scout more attn in the den, etc. I am schocked that no one is honoring the guidlines of 6-8 in a den or that of the request of these four families to be in a seperate den since we have the means. Any info wld be greatly appreciated.

Thx, T