Thanks guys. I really like Bob White's idea. Yes acco40 his youngest boy is a life scout - we borrowed his fathers chair with his mothers blessing - we are trying to make sure we are sensative his his feelings and giving each boy the opportunity to express their feelings and memories in a "private" (troop)ceremony. The boys really were still in shock at the funeral service to be able to really deal with their feelings. It's going to be tough - but I think it will begin the healing process. Again thanks for the thoughts