robertv36

Eamonn, your points are well taken.

Somethings have changed like the Tigers are now part of the Cub Scouts ranks, wearing the blue shirts and earning the Tiger Badge.

If experience states one thing, and "newbies" state another. What then?

ScoutNut I don't disagree with your comments at all. But trying to come up with a winning strategy for keeping Tiger Cub's is a little hard when that isn't any general consensus to its direction.

I equate it to having 4 directors trying to make one movie together. Each having their own style and thoughts to the movie they each want to make. But they still somehow need to collarabrate to make a single movie.

To be quite honest with you, if everyone went to the leadership training and took the time to read the leader handbook and their Boys handbook it would help out more in the long run.

I'm a newbie to Cub Scouts, and a newly trained TL. I believe the problem is having to many hands in the pot. With up to 9 little guys and 9 plus adults in attendance boredom sets in quickly with the PARENTS not the kids. I've observed the following in just the 3 weeks since we've joined:

clockwatchers, parents that have stopwatches running

icoulddoitbetter (but won't volunteer for anything.)

tooyoungphobia, can't accept they're not toddlers anymore

artistinthemaking, fun is doing scrapbooking and arts-n-crafts type projects (a.k.a non-boy friendly activities) all the time

itstooloudasor, the meeting are never orderly because the boys scream and talk too loud

neverreadthebook, object to everything despite it being in the boys handbook

(feel free to add to the list...)

My opinion, with the uniform and the badge change, its time for the boys be just like the rest of the pack. Do away with shared leadership philosophy. Run it like a republic not a democracy. Parents can still have a say during the Pack Committee Meetings for issues that arises.

Love to hear some opinions, especially from those who been in it awhile.

I sincerely apologize for the misuse of the acronyms. Re-reading through the post again when I realize my mistake. Thanks for pointing out the Adult Application for reference. It's now part of my monitor!

Thanks for the assistance OldGreyEyes, and everyone else on this forum.

What I meant by the Pack Leadership stating that the Leader books were just guides, was in the frame of mind that "you can pick and choice what you want and then reinterpret to your liking."

As far as the "pseudo" ADL, the behaviour boils down to undermining. As I was at training, ADL went to the Pack Committee Meeting for the sole purpose to object the Code of Conduct exercise. The District Chair and Unit Commissioner were in attendance, they came away not knowing what the real issue was when I asked.

There's a half-day training scheduled tomorrow and maybe this will help. But as many of you are aware, this is an intro, and the books are meant to be read and used accordingly. So the answer is of course, time.

Now another question to consider. I've been asked if I would like to take the position of assistant Cubmaster. Thoughts?

Figure this is an issue that has political spins to it. But if it's not the right forum, please point the way!

It's only been a 3 weeks since my Boy and I joined the Cub Scouts. I've heard the stories and read on-line that a common issue in Scouting there is never enough volunteers. So when asked I gladly volunteered to be a Tiger Cub Den Leader. (I've got my Trained strip Monday.)

Come to find out that the Assistant Den Leader wanted the "Top position. This wasn't just a "Hey, I wanted that position!", but passive agressive, "Hey, I wanted that position!"

Little background on me before the problem. I believe in what the BSA has to offer. I'm a single Dad who wants to raise my Son with the best tools available and be very much involved in the process. It's an organization that I sincerely believe in. But there seems to be some fundamental differences regarding the parties involved on the core of

what BSA is about and how it should be presented. Some like it slow

and easy while others like the more fast pace approach. With both

types in the same organization there has to be a middle ground. This

is why I believe in sticking to what is taught in training and the

books is crucial. It provides that very pathway to ensuring that

middle ground is there. Yes, deviations need to be made to fit the

circumstances. But the core shouldn't be compromised for the sake of

appeasement.

The Pack Leadership is very liberal to what it takes from the training and the books. As the PCC but it, "They're just guidelines ..." And the both Unit and District lean more to my way of thinking. This isn't the real issue.

The whole passive agressive with the ADL thing came up after I suggested that we have the Boys take part in the Code of Conduct exercise. In general the parents weren't opposed when I explain it as akin to kids with forts or part of a club. It allows them to take a stake and ownership to being part of the den. Basic team building 101 and chapter 16 of the leadership handbook. As you guess it, except for the ADL. I can't put into words her arguement because the reasoning is confusing at best. It blew up after I made a positive comment to one of the other parents who made suggestions about the CoC. She went to the PCM which was on the same day that I was at training for the CS to oppose this exercise. Do I need to say how that turned out?

The UC is suggesting that maybe I should be a ACM instead. My concern here is not with the position changes but rather if the Boys will get a quality program, or just another hour of Arts and Crafts.

Am I off my rocker on this?