papabear

The guiding factor here is one thing, SAFETY. If everyone is safe, back off and let the boys develope the way BP envisioned they would and how they will if we stop doing for them. It is very difficult at times especialy for newer leaders who came from Cub Scouts or are new to Scouting, our "parental" instincts are very strong and are hard to overide at times, but it needs to be done. A Patrol who forgets something needs to become inventive and overcome. If the pancake is over/under cooked , if they miss a meal, no one will be "hurt" they will still be "safe" and an important lesson will be

I have just retired after 20 years in the Navy just this last year. Have spent 9 years as a Scoutmaster, Cubmaster, Den Leader, Committee Member, District Training Chairman, etc,etc. We have experianced Scouting in England, Germany, Italy, Sicily, Iceland, North Carolina, South Carolina, and now in Texas. I have seen HAZING both in the Military and in Scouting and there is only one way to address it. "ZERO" tolerance to "HAZING". But as others have said what about the "fun"? I'm a firm believer in tradition, I'm so thankful that I was one of the last "initiated" Chief Petty Officers but ther