LISweetSue

Thank you for your comment regarding the SU coordinator. I had already come to the same conclusion, hense the need to contact an attorney. What I need is Scout Documentation on the Proper procedure for helping scouts & scout leaders follow the rules of scouting as written in the safety-wise manual.

It seems that the general concencus is that this service unit is very lax in it procedures, paperwork and repremand of leaders who are not following the Scout program as it is ment to run. As luck would have it, the Cub scouts were infront of my local supermarket this weekend, and I had the opportunity to offer my suppport as a co-leader and register my son with the troop in our district.

I was in scouting and pioneer girls as a child, and i remember how being respectful and law abiding was part of the program. What happened? Is this only out of control on Long Island or NY, or is this a national problem?

I really dont have the time or energy to devote to "uncovering" all these issues regarding my service unit and scouting in general, but I feel like ive just gone to the "monsenier" and reported an incidence of inappropriate conduct by a "man of the cloth" and have been blacklisted and told to keep quiet.

I have nothing to hide and will testify to the events I have witnessed.

Please write to me privately at LISweetSue@aol.com.

Leading by the book,

Hi, I am at my wits end & would like advise for the following situation:

1) My first year as co-leader (k) our troop shared the cafateria with another troop year older (1st grade). While our troop was engaged in a craft, the other troop began running thru the cafeteria & junping off the stage platform about 3 feet in height. Their leader must was not in the room. I walked over to the scouts and told them sternly "There is NO Running and Certainly No Jumping in the school building. The rules are the same after school as they are during." When their troop leader learned of my repremand of her scouts, She told me I had No Right to discipline her Troop.

2) At our Service Units Parent/Scout Dinner where about 250 where in attendance, there were several Public Address announcements made stating that was NO RUNNING at the catering hall. The PA system was ignored by most of the scouts. Their parents did nothing. Two scouts where particularly wild, running fast around tables. At first i tired to get their attention nicely by saying "Excuse me, No running, that dannger, and this is not a playground, etc etc.." But after the 2nd Loud Speaker announcement And watching the lil scout run right into a waiter serving a tray and nearly toppling it, I put my open hand & arm out in her path to stop her, I took her by the hand and in a stern voice I said "Wheres Your Mother". I took her to her mother and told her that she need to control her child. I then went to council and we both agreed of the aplorable disrepect these scouts were allowed to do, while their parents ignored the situation. Later the parent came to me visibly upset that i had "Touched" her child. I stated "If you dont disipline your child; I will". Everyone in our Troop and everyone I had spoken with therafter, agreed that the Parent/Scout dinner was Horrible and that something had to be done to curb the chaos.

Fast forward to my third year in scouts.

Again being asked to co-lead in June, i was extremely dissapoointed ot learn the Troops leader had not chosen me but instead 3,yes 3!!!!! other co-leaders for a group of 10 scouts. When I expressed my disappointment, I was informed that council denied my application because of these two incendents. I asked WHO was in charge andwas given the name of our service unit coordinator. When I spoke to her, i was informed by her that NO discipline in any form is permitted in scouting, and what i did in both instances was the WRONG thing to do.

When I let my scouts troop leader and SU coordinator no that I had just taken the first day of training to lead my own troop, the SUC told me that I would Never lead a troop while she was SUC (1 yr of 4 year term) and further more, she was switching my daughter out of her troop of friends for the last 3 years and she was BARRING me from attending any further meetings and events. She called me a troublemaker, said she had no use for my "safety concerns" and that if I took this any further, she would "ruin me".

I have contacted an attorney have been researching the safety-wise booklet and have found many other instances of the "rules not being respected". I have found there are not-for-profit whistle blower protection laws and i want to know if you have any advise on how I can get my safety concerns addressed.

PS: During the first leader training, i met with several other brand new leaders from other SU's & school districts who have already put a child other than their own in time out and told parents that their child needs a good spanking.

Please direct me to scouting policy on proper procedure for disiplining scouts who blatently ignore and disrespect rules.

Thanks,

Leading by the book.