JimboTheOceanGuy

Hi all-

Thanks for the response yes the UK is run by local governments according to the commissioner. They are in s sense the CORS, which provide the meeting halls as they are called. They do no report to the monarchy nor am I suggesting our government run the BSA. Sometimes centeraluzing can support flattened organizations. The franchise model can work provided you have the more in tuned volunteers....Meaning BSA centralize under its non-profit status might be a suggestion until we find a better solution to the franchising CORS we have now.

I wish we could all find qualified enthusiast Scouters or transition new enthusiastic leaders into new packs or troops without control groups. These or just one controlling CM or CC have dissolved many packs and troops. I serve on the District committee where I am at and can assure my recent personal experience without giveing all the details I have learned through the years or dealt with through Unit Commishners is far worse than mine. I post my personal to show the organizational structure fails more than 70% of the packs and troops. The real heart of the issue is finding qualified leaders as alluded in other posts. that can represent and mentor the core values which by osmosis teaches the kids. And unfortunately the controlling ones get the help they need or successfully remove them.

 

Hope that helps and thanks for the posts.

Hi all-

Thanks for the response yes the UK is run by local governments according to the commissioner. They are in s sense the CORS, which provide the meeting halls as they are called. They do no report to the monarchy nor am I suggesting our government run the BSA. Sometime centeraluzing can support flattened organizations. The franchise model can work provided you have the more in tuned volunteers....Meaning BSA centralize under its non-profit status might be a suggestion until we find a better solution the franchising CzoRS we have now.

I wish we could all find qualified enthusiast Scouters or transition new enthusiastic leaders into new packs or troops. I serve on the Dustricy committee where I am at and can assure my recent personal experience without give all the details I have learned through the years or dealt with through Unit Commishners is far worse than mine. I post my personal to show the organizational structure fails more than 70% of the packs and troops. The real heart of the issue is finding qualified leaders as alluded in other posts. that can represent and mentor the core values which by osmosis teaches the kids. And unfortunately the controlling ones get the help.

Hope that helps and thanks for the posts.

I have seen like, most corporate organizations, a set of leaders who control too much of the Packs and now not leading the right guidance in th Troops. This hinders making successful leaders of the boys,

Too often you get, what I call the "it must be done this way through actions or behaviors" which means my way and hide behind the heirarchy in the scouting organization or the charter organization. A great example of this is Troops who say we are truly boy lead and the actions of the adults are my way of the highway. The most tell tale is boys(Troops) who are not leading, poor organization, last minute events, poor communication, poor planning, digression from the program, shunning of new leaders who question, and most of all a few leaders who have created a cliche within the organizational structure.

The program is simple and has been successful until late. Too many politics come from the leaders of control issues or egos. Personally I was told when trying to help out an troop organization as a new leader which personally qualified and excessively trained: the statement was "if Baden Powell was here to help he would have to pass a "test" and would have to jump through hoops before fitting into this troop which has a special personality". What? That was the ultimate red flag of control. The program since 1911 is clearly defined.inits core.

Leaders with control issues are easy to spot, they are the type that are stand offish, too involved with the boys and shunning new leaders comes in with great qualifications, knowledge, and take charge of tasks needed. There is a immediate backlash, signs of insecurity, and automatic perception of persons of this nature to be "a hostile take over" . The most apparent is the "no communication" or as we use to say as children "the cold shoulder". Are we in elementary school?

Taken with my own personal experiences. I would have to say it needs to change. It would be great if the BSA national would take back the ownership of the troops instead of the COR type of structures today. With recent events as we all new caused a lot of CORs and leaders to leave or dissolve. I have been to the UK and the government runs the BS program, which is very similar to the Ventuting Program.

And for those reading this, none of them have had political issues to the degree I have seen here in the states. They also provide the meeting places, which if the BSA would do the same the real estate alone may solve some funding issues. This might also increase the overall offering to boys which will increase the attendance and recruiting if centralized again. What that lookalike I don't know.

But I'd believe it may flatten the organizational structure to provide the most important thing which is a well designed program for the boys.....