NatureGirl

Thank you everyone for your advice.

I look forward to additional posts.

Bob,

What do you do if the CR is pretty much inactive. He shows up at Scout Sunday and maybe at one or two other events throughout the year. This is another part of the problem. We really don't have anyone between the CC & the IH. We really need a new one but I think that some members of the committee think that the IH is afraid to request changes at their church board meetings because the church membership board, etc. may not be as supportive of the troop as the IH. They are thinking that if it weren't for his support we would not be there. Therefore he chooses to make no waves so to speak. As I mentioned above I really believe that it's been really convienent for the CC to have two relatively inactive charter, she pretty much keeps him in the dark outside of the occassional signature needed on one form or another.

eisely: We have no unit commissioner.... The DE has been trying to find one....

Beavah Thanks !!

We have several MC's talking to the DE some are in charge of our pack and some volunteer on the district level as well. We are trying to make some gradual changes -- as you mention with finese.... It is not an attempt to have a coup but it hurts to see a troop your sons are in and you've worked so hard to support and grow have these essentially unnecessary and unimportant struggles. In my opinion we have leaders who have forgotten the Scout Oath & Law and the focus is not themselves or myself for that matter, but the scouts in our troop, our future leaders. How can one teach what they themselves can't practice?

Thank you for your responses. You have all validated what I suspected and learned in various trainings as well as online. You are also correct in the assumptions that our COR is basically a rubber stamp. He, I believe, purposely been kept in the dark about what exactly his authority and responsiblity really is. Several of us have been discussing bring him more into the fold, but you must understand if we do this we are doing this without the consent of the CC. I have heard her use terms such as explicitly vague and the less involved he is the better; thus giving her and her SM husband basically all the authority. Several MC have been discussing the quality of her work, the fact she doesn't control the meetings when her husband goes on a tirate against one of the MC which has happened, to recharter she just copies the previous years charter. We reduced our fees this year but at no point did she send a notice to the parent about rechartering what she said in the last meeting "well they should have known to do that when I mention rechartering was coming soon" at a troop meeting. Our treasurer saved the troop over $50 by filing changes with our council for those who did not wish to receive duplicate BL mag. in their family. We have never had a new parent orientation meeting welcoming them to our troop. Our SM knew 10 days in advance of the Web. II visit but never informed our "boy led troop" SPL that they were coming so something to be prepared for them to do/participate in. The SPL, ASPL & PL all had to fly by the seat of their pants. We have two ASM one who does a good job of enforcing the Patrol Method and is actually trained and one who wants to dictate where he feels there needs to be a change and insults and yells at a new parent (smart guy has qualities to do the job but has anger control issues). Several months ago a few of us plus CC, SM & COR all had a meeting and discussed some of the problems, we felt better at the time but nothing has changed. We've talked to our DR at council and he tells us he won't refer new scouts to us or recommend us, he also recommended to a member who was discussing his concerns and whose son just made Eagle he said go to troop --. Knowing all this and knowing the position of the COR (a religious leader/good man but just wants us all to get along). What would you do from here?? We have a great group of scouts who keep attending and new members keep coming from our affliate pack and have awesome potential for growth, if we can fix problem. Is it not possible for the committee to accept nominations for positions if this is what we what the committee wants to do. We are adding positions to our commmittee over the next couple of months to help lesson duties on the few of us that have held the same positions for over 4 years. I realize this alot of info but to comment further I felt is was needed.

Thank you,

YIS,

I'm curious does the Committee Chair always have the right to appoint people to positions or can the committee nominate and vote in people who volunteer to do the job. Our committee chair doesn't even have troop committee challenge and she tells us she has the right to appoint people to positions. We have some micromanaging & controlling problems with our Husband and wife scoutmaster and committee chair positions. Really a conflict of interest I believe, one can't seem to control the other's outbursts at committee meetings and talking behind peoples back. Real good example of the scout law, etc. Suggestions???

Thank you, this site has been a valuable resource for me!!