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  2. johnsch322
    BSA Settlement Trust Financials Thru 12/31/23 https://scoutingsettlementtrust.my.salesforce.com/sfc/p/#Dp0000016pkB/a/Uu000000e6l4/QDFa7uyndHmsnfZMMFiAnt0qCKrBIPkLSXKIzLDxTgU
  3. fred8033
    He was blocked re-registering in the 1970s and 1980s. The 1968 letter had the SE say they could not ignore the accusations and said it was Brock's actions that led to the result. For 1968, this seems like it was handled well ... for 1968 ... before computers ... before modern laws. This sounds like BSA's files worked well. The one thing that surprised me is no police report. So so so many of the files do have police reports. I bet there was not a 1968 chargeable crime. The 1960s were a long time ago and so much has change. A lot has changed.
  4. johnsch322
    This is not a factual statement. Part of the files were released to the public October 18th, 2012, and only after a court order. Even what was released covered only 20 years 1965 to 1985. Even today there are files that have not been released. Boy Scout 'perversion files' offer disturbing portrait of suspected abusers, handling of their cases - oregonlive.com "Many records show Scouting officials referring to sexual abuse in the vaguest terms -- describing it as "improper and indiscreet conduct with boys" or "abnormal conduct with boys."" This is part of the path of release and
  5. skeptic
    Repetitive ad infinitem; the problem was not "unique" to scouting. It was a common issue of society then, as well as, sadly today. It is something somehow dark in some people and part of that darker human nature, if you will. But, again, the date on this article shows that the file was public very early on, so it was not hidden. Horse is dead as far as that part goes.
  6. Timbuktu
    Not remotely true.
  7. yknot
    That's not a universal view. Many consider it proof that scouting's unique problem with men preying on boys was already so well known and documented after only 25 years that it was publicly acknowledged by no less than the son of a President on a national stage. The article is proof of how early the problem was known, how long it was allowed to fester, and how little BSA effectively did about it over the ensuing decades. I've seen this article cited multiple times throughout the bankruptcy process as proof BSA has known it had a unique problem for almost its entire history.
  8. Ojoman
    At that time that was probably as good as any other youth programs were or could do. Of course it is and will always be less than perfect.
  9. johnsch322
    That is a far cry from saying we have files on men who have committed perverted sex acts upon young boys while engaging in the business of the Boy Scouts of America.
  10. skeptic
    Simply proof that the IV files were known early on, and that they were not covering them up. The bankruptcy and lawsuits are interrelated. Not news of course.
  11. johnsch322
    And as far as BSA Bankruptcy and where the bankruptcy plan what is the relevance?
  12. Eagledad
    As a SM, this is the approach took with politics as well as religion. Barry
  13. skeptic
    I have to work on finding this complete article, as I refuse to subscribe to get past the barrier. I have two search sites to go to, so maybe will find it. Meanwhile, I thought it was interesting to note. Take a look and share if you find detail before I do. SUBSCRIBE FOR $1/WEEK Account
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  15. DannyG
    One of the simplest ways it was described to me as a uniformed adult leader: The scouts should know that you participate in elections. They shouldn't know who you are voting for.
  16. Eagle1993
    The school board found a way to get kids to read books ... announce that they are banned. I would think BSA would be fine accepting controversial Eagle Scout projects. One of our youth did a project for an organization that provides housing for primarily LGBTQ youth who were abused at home. That said, there was a clear benefactor and and the project wasn't directed against any political group. So, I could see a way for a project like this could work in the BSA, but not in the manner it was conducted as a Gold project.
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  18. mrjohns2 started following Girl Scout Gold recipient censored by local school board for her Gold Award project.
  19. mrjohns2
    Very quick read. Very interesting book. A bit of nudity (but maybe a page or 2), but by no means the focus. If I could remember it to give it a synopsis would be almost how someone loosing grip with reality. Just interesting. It also covered how bad the bombing of Dresden was in WWII.
  20. RememberSchiff
    4/26/24 Rally 4 Robby Trivia Night – an event to benefit the purchase of a special track-style wheelchair to help a local Boy Scout, Robby Fisher, access his backyard and basement, as well as make it easier to participate in Boy Scout activities and camps with his Special Needs Boy Scout Troop 724... According to a SpotFund set up for Fisher, the Boy Scout camp he attends has an accessible campsite, but the rest of the camp is not accessible. In his second year of attending the camp, he was able to use a ‘Trackchair’ that allowed him more freedom to earn merit badges and even go fishing
  21. MattR
    I don't see the BSA ever having to deal with this problem because there doesn't seem to be a benefactor that could sign off on such a project. Nobody in the school district. It's great that this scout wants to unban books, but it's not a service project that helps specific people. Something about working with others to solve a problem rather than just working on it alone sounds better to me. And yet it does make me want to read Slaughterhouse Five. I don't know how I missed that one. I went and found a synopsis and think it would be a great read.
  22. SSScout
    I read widely. Not a "student". Baha Ullah? George Fox? Gandhi? Jacob Hutter? Stanwood Cobb?
  23. RememberSchiff
    “Organizations like [the Scouts] are symbiotic in that the Scouts benefit from accomplishing their requirements, and the community benefits from the fruits of the Scouts fulfilling their goals,” said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Reuben Doornink. “Scouting has been a big part of my life through the years and being an Eagle Scout can help form near- immediate bonds. Scouting is similar to the military in that I know if my family needed something, I could put it in a chat group and have 10 people at my door,” said Doornink. “One thing that being a Scout taught me is, ‘Keep working on the task regardle
  24. RememberSchiff
    Girl Scout and member of Board of Supervisors exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYicUpJAth8
  25. AwakeEnergyScouter
    Total sidebar: I noticed the manner of mentioning Rinpoche, @SSScout - were you his student?
  26. SSScout
    Well, censorship, The Golden Rule, Kharma, Rinpoche, freedom of expression and choice, protecting youth (from adults?), civic duty versus personal responsibility, quite a discussion. I came here late, I have not been able to read the article because the Richmond Times-Dispatch keeps wanting me to SUBSCRIBE. But GOOGLE is your friend: https://dailyprogress.com/news/nation-world/government-politics/hanover-girl-scout-gold-award-censored-book-nooks-banned-hcps/article_283731ad-4dd9-5c8f-ba7a-ae16e18542aa.html It is , indeed, a Brave New World..... Aldous Huxley, call your off
  27. skeptic started following Can this become more prevalent, with a bit of effort, on local levels? https://www.mariettatimes.com/news/local-news/2024/03/smith-scouts-become-leaders/
  28. skeptic
    https://www.mariettatimes.com/news/local-news/2024/03/smith-scouts-become-leaders/ Finding ways to incorporate the community locally might be the best way to redeem the program. My experience with the general public when we do flag and patriotic stuff at the local government center, or on some occasion in the past when hiking, has almost always been supportive. Many have gushed and said they had thought BSA was gone and were really happy for our work and efforts. I suspect this may be far more prominent than the nay sayers will admit. Just my view.
  29. AwakeEnergyScouter
    Are you sincere? I do not read you to be. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It's quite possible that I am.
  30. Eagledad
    Hmm, I know exactly how you feel. Barry
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    • johnsch322
      Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective

      By johnsch322 · Posted

      BSA Settlement Trust Financials Thru 12/31/23 https://scoutingsettlementtrust.my.salesforce.com/sfc/p/#Dp0000016pkB/a/Uu000000e6l4/QDFa7uyndHmsnfZMMFiAnt0qCKrBIPkLSXKIzLDxTgU
    • fred8033
      Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective

      By fred8033 · Posted

      He was blocked re-registering in the 1970s and 1980s.  The 1968 letter had the SE say they could not ignore the accusations and said it was Brock's actions that led to the result.  For 1968, this seems like it was handled well ... for 1968 ... before computers ... before modern laws.  This sounds like BSA's files worked well. The one thing that surprised me is no police report.  So so so many of the files do have police reports.  I bet there was not a 1968 chargeable crime.  The 1960s were a long time ago and so much has change.  A lot has changed.  
    • johnsch322
      Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective

      By johnsch322 · Posted

      This is not a factual statement. Part of the files were released to the public October 18th, 2012, and only after a court order. Even what was released covered only 20 years 1965 to 1985. Even today there are files that have not been released.  Boy Scout 'perversion files' offer disturbing portrait of suspected abusers, handling of their cases - oregonlive.com "Many records show Scouting officials referring to sexual abuse in the vaguest terms -- describing it as "improper and indiscreet conduct with boys" or "abnormal conduct with boys."" This is part of the path of release and why so many people associated with BSA hate him 2006: Washington State Supreme Court rules that "perversion files" must be revealed to Seattle sex-abuse lawyer Tim Kosnoff. Here is a part of the Boy Scout efforts: "Clyde A. Brock, a 53-year-old bachelor, was twice "called to task" for taking nude photographs of Boy Scouts, displaying them around his Oregon City home, then showing them off to boys who visited. Yet troop leaders didn't kick him out. Only after two Scouts came forward to say Brock had "relationships with them as well as other members of the troop ...that cannot be condoned" was he expelled from Scouting in 1968.   Scouting executives quietly blacklisted Brock from ever volunteering again, but let him skirt the accusations by writing a letter of resignation citing only his high blood pressure for quitting. Brock's case is included in 14,500 pages of confidential Boy Scout"
    • skeptic
      Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective

      By skeptic · Posted

      Repetitive ad infinitem; the problem was not "unique" to scouting.  It was a common issue of society then, as well as, sadly today.  It is something somehow dark in some people and part of that darker human nature, if you will.  But, again, the date on this article shows that the file was public very early on, so it was not hidden.  Horse is dead as far as that part goes.  
    • Timbuktu
      Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective

      By Timbuktu · Posted

      Not remotely true.

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