I should have Spun this off rather than hijacking the original thread. I start with a copy of my original post   "Kudu, I have always wondered about something   You always talk about the natural leaders and how important it is to identify them and put them in charge or have them be in charge or however you explain it.   What so you do with the not natural leader boy, what do you do to mentor him? I am not saying how do you turn him into a leader, but what do you do the less shiny ligh