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[mrjohns2 478]

7 hours ago, PACAN said:

Any others heard any more on this subject?

My friend told me his Bishop is staying with chartering scout units.   

I don't think there is much more than local reports on the subject. Some are staying and some are going. 

[PACAN 201]

Saw where the Rockford Diocese has severed ties. 

[Tired_Eagle_Feathers 25]

This whole thing reminds me of how strange it is that troops need a charter organization at all.

They should be able to self-charter and just rent a meeting location.

 

[Eagle1993 2041]

34 minutes ago, Tired_Eagle_Feathers said:

This whole thing reminds me of how strange it is that troops need a charter organization at all.

They should be able to self-charter and just rent a meeting location.

 

Some do through "Friends of...".  I know we did that for our unit for a few years.  However, when we looked at liability (among other reasons) we became concerned and found a CO.   Some entity needs to be directly responsible for the unit.

Feb 8th The Milwaukee archdiocese announced they will stop charter agreements starting Jan 1 2024.

[Protoclete 42]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:37 PM, T2Eagle said:

Nope, Sentinel is correct, Bishops answer only to the Pope, or higher.  The USCCB can vote on recommended actions, and a whole lot of pressure would be brought to bare on any diocese dissenting.  For that reason it is only really important matters that reach that kind of action.  But in the end, the Bishop who heads the diocese runs the diocese as they will.

No, as pointed out by the reference to the chances to the code of canon law, there are in fact decisions that can be made by the episcopal conference that are binding on all members. But of course, it is the bishops themselves who pass those laws, so if they don't want to agree to something they won't. But the charter for the protection of minors is one example. The USCCB could have decided to make a national decision, but instead opted to leave it up to the individual dioceses. (Which is their most common decision). 

Bishops are part of both a province and a national episcopal conference, as well as a particular ritual church, before they are part of the universal church, and answerable to each of those levels in different ways. 

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2 hours ago, Protoclete said:

No, as pointed out by the reference to the chances to the code of canon law, there are in fact decisions that can be made by the episcopal conference that are binding on all members. But of course, it is the bishops themselves who pass those laws, so if they don't want to agree to something they won't. But the charter for the protection of minors is one example. The USCCB could have decided to make a national decision, but instead opted to leave it up to the individual dioceses. (Which is their most common decision). 

Bishops are part of both a province and a national episcopal conference, as well as a particular ritual church, before they are part of the universal church, and answerable to each of those levels in different ways. 

Probably true as relates to the Episcopal church, but @T2Eaglewas referring to the USCCB, which is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

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@Protoclete is correct as relates to the Roman Catholic Church. His use of episcopal is lower case in this instance by design.

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On 3/2/2023 at 2:40 PM, MikeS72 said:

Probably true as relates to the Episcopal church, but @T2Eaglewas referring to the USCCB, which is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Yes, i was referring to the Catholic episcopal conferences.
The Episcopal Church is something else altogether, and part of the Anglican Communion. 

Some bishops want to act as if they only answer to the pope, (and even then they don't like it) but that simply isn't Catholic ecclesiology.