Mrjeff 206 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I'm just the OA Advisor for the Council. The SE is very supportive and helpful with our events, in fact over the past couple of years I've gotten to know him well and consider him a friend. I am also blessed in that I have a good relationship with all of our professionals including our long time camp ranger who is also a friend. I realise that I am very fortunate and I wish y'all could have the same relationship. God Bless and Scout On! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mrjeff 206 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On another note I take the responsibility of being the OA Guy very seriously. As far as the lodge goes the buck stops here. If everything is great the Chief and the LEC have done a great job. If something or anything goes sideways it is totally my responsibility and I accept that. I am always happy to see our Scout Execytive at our events and I take pride in how well the pros and I work together and my focus is always on the kids. I'm not bragging, I just know how fortunate I am to be in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites
SiouxRanger 388 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I just find this thread so sad. Us unpaid volunteers are treated so poorly. Link to post Share on other sites
Oldscout448 683 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Mrjeff said: I'm just the OA Advisor for the Council. The SE is very supportive and helpful with our events, in fact over the past couple of years I've gotten to know him well and consider him a friend. I am also blessed in that I have a good relationship with all of our professionals including our long time camp ranger who is also a friend. I realise that I am very fortunate and I wish y'all could have the same relationship. God Bless and Scout On! You are fortunate indeed! The last time I can remember seeing our SE was at a spring Lodge Fellowship in 2017. Haven't seen a DE at a day camp, ordeal, or camporee in even longer. Glad to hear it's not this bad everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
ShootingSports 39 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago What has happen to Volunteer run and Professionally advised? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BetterWithCheddar 36 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 16 hours ago, ShootingSports said: What has happen to Volunteer run and Professionally advised? I have a hunch that, at least in some areas, it's becoming increasingly difficult to find sufficient volunteer support to sustain programs from start to finish. Hence, the greater reliance on the professional corp. Having returned to Scouting as a Lion Den Leader after a 15-year hiatus, one big difference I've noticed is that the Council runs a lot of multi-district events that used to be ran by the districts themselves. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle94-A1 2423 Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 19 hours ago, ShootingSports said: What has happen to Volunteer run and Professionally advised? The volunteers who have the knowledge, skills, abilities, and previous event budgets ten to know more about the events and what is involved, than the pros. Yet the pros are overruling and micromanaging without one iota of what is needed. I've listed examples on other pages. But one not listed was Cub family camp. we asked for 10 bows and 120 arrows. Got 3 bows and about 50 arrows, some of which were not usable. Had to go to Walmart and buy extra bows, and all the arrows in stock to run the event. Oh and this event had over 600 people registered. 2 hours ago, BetterWithCheddar said: I have a hunch that, at least in some areas, it's becoming increasingly difficult to find sufficient volunteer support to sustain programs from start to finish. Hence, the greater reliance on the professional corp. In my neck of the woods, folks are tired of the abuse by pros, i.e. overruling, ignoring, yelling, screaming, and cursing. Also folks are tired of the mismanagement by the professionals. They sold a camp that supposedly cost more than it brought in. That was because they used stats from the year before covid, they shut it down for 6+ months, and covid year. However if you looked at the historic data, the camp was not only making enough money to support itself, but also subsidize the other council camps. As for pros running things, none of them have any Scouting experience in my area. They couldn't organize a PWD if their lives depended on it. If the volunteers do not run it, it does not happen. Quote Having returned to Scouting as a Lion Den Leader after a 15-year hiatus, one big difference I've noticed is that the Council runs a lot of multi-district events that used to be ran by the districts themselves. Part of that is membership is drastically down nationwide. In my area 7 counties were merged together into a new district. 25 years ago one county had more than double the membership than all 7 counties combined have today. Edited 3 hours ago by Eagle94-A1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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