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1 hour ago, 5thGenTexan said:

How many times have I told a Scout they can have all sorts of fun without a device.  And now BSA does this?

 

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2022/09/29/calling-all-gamers-sign-up-for-the-bsa-esports-tournament-series/

Dare you to post this as as a comment on that forum:

Excerpt from a recent review of studies on video gaming:

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Neural Basis of Video Gaming: A Systematic Review

Background: Video gaming is an increasingly popular activity in contemporary society, especially among young people, and video games are increasing in popularity not only as a research tool but also as a field of study. Many studies have focused on...

 
 

Video game use has been linked with reduced recruitment in the anterior cingulate cortex, associated with proactive cognitive control and possibly related to reduced attentional skills (Bailey et al., 2010). Likewise, exposure to violent content in video games is associated with lower activity in the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, interfering with inhibitory control. The same team (Bailey and West, 2013) observed how video game play had beneficial effects on visuospatial cognition, but in turn had negative effects on social information processing. Lastly, video game exposition has been linked to delayed microstructure development in extensive brain regions and lower verbal IQ (Takeuchi et al., 2016).


Another article: Playing shooter video games damages the brain, study suggests

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Playing shooter video games damages the brain, study suggests

Playing “shooter” video games weakens the brains of young people and puts them at greater risk of dementia in later life, new research suggests.

 
 

“Playing “shooter” video games weakens the brains of young people and puts them at greater risk of dementia in later life, new research suggests.”


And another: This is Your Child’s Brain on Video Games

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This Is Your Child's Brain on Video Games

Video games leave kids revved up, stressed out, and primed for a meltdown.

 
 

“It’s not realistic to expect the brain to adapt to intense and artificial stimulation it was never meant to handle. It’s also not realistic to expect a child with still-developing frontal lobe to control their screen-time, whether that means managing how long they play a game, how they use or misuse social media, or how they behave afterward.”


Another article on electronics and effects on our kids:

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The Mental Health Crisis is upon the Internet Generation

Three ways that modern internet technologies are tearing our young people apart

 
 

And one on limiting the use of social media:

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No More FOMO: Limiting Social Media Decreases Loneliness and Depression |...

Introduction: Given the breadth of correlational research linking social media use to worse well-being, we undertook an experimental study to investigate the potential causal role that social media plays in this relationship. Method: After a week of...

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Ugh!!!!

Might as well begin folding up the tent now. 

There is no way in hades this promotes any of the aims utilizing any of the methods. IOW, it ain't Scoutung. I won't argue about it b/c any hypothethicals,  "but if the scouts did..." would be pure hogwash. None of any potential hypotheticals would manifest in reality, except as an anomaly.

 

Edit: and *I* worked in the computer gaming industry at one time.

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I hope that BSA is at least making some substantial money from the gaming companies for promoting their products.  If this event came with a substantial “contribution” that can help address some of the post-bankruptcy financial concerns…. Then….. well….. maybe.

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5 minutes ago, BAJ said:

I hope that BSA is at least making some substantial money from the gaming companies for promoting their products.  If this event came with a substantial “contribution” that can help address some of the post-bankruptcy financial concerns…. Then….. well….. maybe.

A deal with the devil...

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5 hours ago, BAJ said:

I hope that BSA is at least making some substantial money from the gaming companies for promoting their products.  If this event came with a substantial “contribution” that can help address some of the post-bankruptcy financial concerns…. Then….. well….. maybe.

These companies do not need the BSA.  Why would they pay the BSA?  Rocket League has, on average, 90 million users every 30 days.  Madden sells about 150 million copies and has even more users.  

I don't understand how an E Sports tournament ties into the BSA, but if setting up an E Sports tournament allows BSA to advertise their offerings and helps recruiting I'm all for it.  

Now, if there was patrol based e sports game that would be a much better path.  

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While many of the youth are overly involved with much of the modern media, games and social, many others are demonstrating interest outside those areaas, or even finding ways to coerlate them.  Thechnologies and their progeny are in constant flux and we are seeing a=azing advances in many areas due to the skills and new direction challenges.  The real issue I fear is the overreaction of too many adults to some of the enormous changes.  Also, just a I have little clue in regard to modern tech, though I can use basics and even struggle with newer things with moderate success at times, I continue to read about amazing new directions that evlolve from some of this stuff, things few would even have imagined even twenty years ago.  

Just like I have been heard to screwam in other threads, balance and taking the cfhallenges are important, even as we still retain some of the most important elements of the past technologies and cultural tools.  Good examples are seen in teh huge expansion of animation and things that now have derived from it.  That in turn evolved from comics and cartooning.  We have not lost the best from the past in music, or in literature, or in art.  But, today we are seeing invovations that can be traced to those past things.  Move ahead, but keep the scales even if possible, and be open to new ideas and merging some with the old.  

The young people recently enterered into advanced fliying for example, were not long ago playing early games.  And they have been able to master these new skills much more rapidly than many in the past.  

Doors open and minds are tested by many tech inovatioons, and those ideas are expanding to the arts and had science, including mdicale brekthorughs.  Doctors today do crazy things with tools evolved from these  techniques derived from games.  I had a major medical issue fairly recently that saw a leak of fluid from the brain cavity throuh and out my left sinus. Twenty years or less ago, the only repair would have been to lift the brain out and fix the crack in the dura, and I likely would not be typing here.  But, the techniiques now available used miniature tools that entgered through the sinus to repair the crack and secure it, and only took a couple hours.  While scans are done to assure no follow issues, all is well, and I am apparently fine. 

I guess my point is that we can moan and complain about what we may see as problems sith things, or we can find ways instead to use those thiings to move ahead and keep the youth involved.  That is why we do rocketry and even pinewood.  Still, we do need to get them to experience the orignianl stuff on occasion too.  And kids are still little pyros, and many love to play with ropes and tie each other up or make things to climb.  That is why letting them sometimes just play on their own, finding their own ideas and games is so important.  Too much scheuling and no allowance for just fun or a challenge is not good for people, especially yoouth.  

 

 

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I think this is brilliant.  Connects with the younger generations.  Many adults in the 20s and even early 30s often see eSports tournaments bigger than NFL, etc.   

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I still remember the first time I saw the Las Vegas Luxor (huge casino) permanently rebranded as an eSports venue.  

BSA eSports tournaments could ...

  • Promotes fellowship
  • Promotes competition. 
  • A chance for youth to aspire in the same way they see nation wide trends
  • If rightly used, a way for troops to be more involved with their scouts.

I remember multiple times 

  • Scouts at troop campfires planning online / video gaming events
  • AND ... Scouts at troop video gaming events planning their next campout

Video gaming is the new poker, canasta, uker, hearts, spades, pokemon, yugio, etc, etc.  It's just part of their lives.  

It's really not that big of an issue.  ... It would be big if this replaces a troop's outdoor program and activities.  

 

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Why is anyone upset about this now? There have been video game columns/articles in Scout Life for years, we have merit badges for game design, digital technology, programming, robotics. Bryan on Scouting blogged about video game tournaments for scouts more than a year ago. This is already here and has been for a while.

I don't view tech as antithetical to the spirit of scouting. And devices aren't going away, they are a part of everyday life and I think we need to adapt to using them in a scouting setting.

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31 minutes ago, FireStone said:

Why is anyone upset about this now? There have been video game columns/articles in Scout Life for years, we have merit badges for game design, digital technology, programming, robotics. Bryan on Scouting blogged about video game tournaments for scouts more than a year ago. This is already here and has been for a while.

I don't view tech as antithetical to the spirit of scouting. And devices aren't going away, they are a part of everyday life and I think we need to adapt to using them in a scouting setting.

A reflection of our current society.  Instead of finding the positive in something, lets find problems and negativity.  Our challenges, as already noted, are to take and meld the odl and new and create something using the best parts of all of them.  

 

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1 hour ago, mrjohns2 said:

My daughters were sad there wasn’t a Minecraft one. They would have watched. 

Yeah, Minecraft would have been a big win too.  The Minecraft purpose and game idea baffles me, but it's been continually popular for ?? ten years ??.  

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