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Who is allowed to attend the Executive Board meetings for a council? Not needing to vote but to be able to watch the proceedings. Are Leaders able to request or look at past meeting minutes? How do we request looking at those minutes? Thanks 

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On 9/21/2022 at 9:59 AM, Christi13 said:

Who is allowed to attend the Executive Board meetings for a council? Not needing to vote but to be able to watch the proceedings. Are Leaders able to request or look at past meeting minutes? How do we request looking at those minutes? Thanks 

That will be a council-by-council thing. Our council does not advertise when these meetings are or where they are. My old council has it on their normal calendar. 

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On 9/21/2022 at 9:59 AM, Christi13 said:

Who is allowed to attend the Executive Board meetings for a council? Not needing to vote but to be able to watch the proceedings. Are Leaders able to request or look at past meeting minutes? How do we request looking at those minutes? Thanks 

My understanding is that Executive Board Meetings and Executive Committee Meetings are generally limited to Board and Committee Members.

In my Council, Executive Board Meetings are generally dinner events.

25+ years ago, Executive Board Meetings in my Council were held monthly, THEN meetings were reduced to quarterly by a change in the Council By-Laws which appeared to be generated by National.  My Council's Executive Board was about 50 to 60.

Why changed, I do not know, BUT, the control of the Council shifted to the Executive Committee, a group of about 6 or 8 who met monthly.  The ONLY limitation on the power and authority of the Executive Committee was that it could not take any action contrary to an Executive Board action.

Of course, the Executive Committee could take any action not already prohibited by the Executive Board, but how is the Executive Board to know what limitations to place on Executive Committee action?  One has to predict what actions the Executive Committee MIGHT take in the future.  It is fairly easy to anticipate adverse future actions in Chess, football, etc., as those games have lots of rules, but how does one anticipate an Executive Board voting to sell a camp, buy a camp, fire the Ranger or Council Executive, sell the Scout Office or buy another...the list is infinite.  I have seen this play out.

Presumably, the Executive Board could act to countermand an Executive Committee action after the fact, but the politics of doing that are huge.

"Hello, you know that the Executive Committee did "X," you know they were selected for that committee because THEY ARE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT SCOUTING THAN YOU, (just who do you think you are to question the Imperial Select?  Just make your corporate contribution and shut up) so do you want to risk your job to raise a stink to set this right?"  ("And your "contribution

I DID. 

Most Executive Board Members are prominent members of the local community and not inclined to countermand those that even those powerful people see as more versed in the operations of the Council Board of which they consider themselves as ceremonial members, treated to a dinner 4 times a year for their annual contribution, perhaps paid by their employer which is prestige building.

I know these to be the dynamics of 25 years ago-and I invite those with more current information to chime-in.  It does not appear to me that anything has changed in my Council-but maybe elsewhere.

 

                          (Moderators-the extra space Delators-you know who you are.. are for EMPHASIS.)

 

The only council meeting I know of that MIGHT allow non-members is the Annual Council Meeting which the COR's (Chartered Organization Representatives) are allowed to attend and vote.  I have seen non-anyone, mere scouters attend those meetings.  That could vary widely from Council to Council.

But few of anyone not a member at some level show up.

 

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Just now, SiouxRanger said:

My understanding is that Executive Board Meetings and Executive Committee Meetings are generally limited to Board and Committee Members.

In my Council, Executive Board Meetings are generally dinner events.

25+ years ago, Executive Board Meetings in my Council were held monthly, THEN meetings were reduced to quarterly by a change in the Council By-Laws which appeared to be generated by National.  My Council's Executive Board was about 50 to 60.

Why changed, I do not know, BUT, the control of the Council shifted to the Executive Committee, a group of about 6 or 8 who met monthly.  The ONLY limitation on the power and authority of the Executive Committee was that it could not take any action contrary to an Executive Board action.

Of course, the Executive Committee could take any action not already prohibited by the Executive Board, but how is the Executive Board to know what limitations to place on Executive Committee action?  One has to predict what actions the Executive Committee MIGHT take in the future.  It is fairly easy to anticipate adverse future actions in Chess, football, etc., as those games have lots of rules, but how does one anticipate an Executive Board voting to sell a camp, buy a camp, fire the Ranger or Council Executive, sell the Scout Office or buy another...the list is infinite.  I have seen this play out.

Presumably, the Executive Board could act to countermand an Executive Committee action after the fact, but the politics of doing that are huge.

"Hello, you know that the Executive Committee did "X," you know they were selected for that committee because THEY ARE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT SCOUTING THAN YOU, (just who do you think you are to question the Imperial Select?  Just make your corporate contribution and shut up) so do you want to risk your job to raise a stink to set this right?"  ("And your "contribution

I DID. 

Most Executive Board Members are prominent members of the local community and not inclined to countermand those that even those powerful people see as more versed in the operations of the Council Board of which they consider themselves as ceremonial members, treated to a dinner 4 times a year for their annual contribution, perhaps paid by their employer which is prestige building.

I know these to be the dynamics of 25 years ago-and I invite those with more current information to chime-in.  It does not appear to me that anything has changed in my Council-but maybe elsewhere.

 

                          (Moderators-the extra space Delators-you know who you are.. are for EMPHASIS.)

 

The only council meeting I know of that MIGHT allow non-members is the Annual Council Meeting which the COR's (Chartered Organization Representatives) are allowed to attend and vote.  I have seen non-anyone, mere scouters attend those meetings.  That could vary widely from Council to Council.

But few of anyone not a member at some level show up.

And so the Council management and leadership is managed and controlled by about 8 people.  And it appears to me that ALL the volunteers defer to the Column Executive who is drawing a salary of $250,000 to $350,000.

Obscene.

 

 

 

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