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I cannot say anything about Lions, but  from working with my 3 boys from Tigers, it is extremely exhausting for adults. The Den Leader is the toughest volunteer position, bar none.  I was a denleader for 6 years and was burnt out on Cubs. I have been involved with troop 7 years now, and no burn out yet. Prior to Oldest becoming a Tiger, I volunteered with troops, OA, and the district for  9 years, and no burn out.

As for the Scouts, they are ready and chomping at the bit to Cross Over.  4th grade is when the transition to Scouts begins, at least according to the old BSA Literature as I am told that is no longer the case with the current literature, They were ready, willing and able to cross over. But I trained my Webelos DL replacements the way I was trained.

 

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some observations & wisdom from a DL & ADL for two boys from tiger to AOL. (disclaimer: we were in a large pack, 85-110 scouts in an upper middle class zip code in Wake Co. NC.) We o

It's optional in the scout program so I assume it's also optional in the cub program. Just because they sell it you don't have to buy it.

In addition, by bringing in very young kids into the pack, you really limit what the older youth can do. G2SS rules for the pack have to assume that many of the activities will be available for those

4 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

I cannot say anything about Lions, but  from working with my 3 boys from Tigers, it is extremely exhausting for adults. The Den Leader is the toughest volunteer position, bar none.  I was a denleader for 6 years and was burnt out on Cubs. I have been involved with troop 7 years now, and no burn out yet. Prior to Oldest becoming a Tiger, I volunteered with troops, OA, and the district for  9 years, and no burn out.

As for the Scouts, they are ready and chomping at the bit to Cross Over.  4th grade is when the transition to Scouts begins, at least according to the old BSA Literature as I am told that is no longer the case with the current literature, They were ready, willing and able to cross over. But I trained my Webelos DL replacements the way I was trained.

 

Absolutely.  Being a troop leader is work, but rarely exhausting.  More importantly, many opportunities to recharge like sitting around camp fires and laughing with friends.  Younger cubs was lots of work.  It can really burn you out.  

The scary point is the work is inversed with the perceived benefit.  Boy scouts has visible growth after every camp out and every activity and has managable effort.  Tiger cubs was lots of work for the den leaders with little perceived benefit.  

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In addition, by bringing in very young kids into the pack, you really limit what the older youth can do. G2SS rules for the pack have to assume that many of the activities will be available for those kindergarteners. It gets limiting for the older cubs.

 

In addition, I'll agree with the statements of burnout. Running a weekly event for 1st graders is tough. 

 

Looking at how other scouting organizations around the world do things, they tend to break up the k-5th grade youth into two different units. I think if we did that, it might help a lot. The younger group might meet monthly, do some fun stuff, and then be done. Then the older group can work almost like a 3 year Webelos program that focuses more on outdoor skills, commensurate with the older kids' greater independence.

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3 hours ago, malraux said:

In addition, by bringing in very young kids into the pack, you really limit what the older youth can do. G2SS rules for the pack have to assume that many of the activities will be available for those kindergarteners. It gets limiting for the older cubs.

 

In addition, I'll agree with the statements of burnout. Running a weekly event for 1st graders is tough. 

 

Looking at how other scouting organizations around the world do things, they tend to break up the k-5th grade youth into two different units. I think if we did that, it might help a lot. The younger group might meet monthly, do some fun stuff, and then be done. Then the older group can work almost like a 3 year Webelos program that focuses more on outdoor skills, commensurate with the older kids' greater independence.

I think splitting cubs might be a good idea.  k,1,2 in one.  3,4,5 in another.  

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36 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

I think splitting cubs might be a good idea.  k,1,2 in one.  3,4,5 in another.  

The maturity between 1 and 2 is huge. The 2nd graders are about the same maturity of 3 and 4. 

My thinking is pre-K, K and first grade. 

And, I being told by my adult kids that kindergarten is the new first grade. So, it could get worse.

While I think the Webelos program is pretty well designed, I believe the 2nd year Webelos need to get more involve with Troops. Not a lot, but enough to make the program more fun. Webelos is where the packs suffer the most with adult burnout. So, if the troops could assist the leaders with program, that would be a huge influence toward improving the crossover numbers.

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1 hour ago, Eagledad said:

While I think the Webelos program is pretty well designed, I believe the 2nd year Webelos need to get more involve with Troops. Not a lot, but enough to make the program more fun. Webelos is where the packs suffer the most with adult burnout. So, if the troops could assist the leaders with program, that would be a huge influence toward improving the crossover numbers.

Barry

It's also where adults that were previously happy to run nice clean indoor programs start to cringe at the idea of actually camping and hiking.

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58 minutes ago, elitts said:

It's also where adults that were previously happy to run nice clean indoor programs start to cringe at the idea of actually camping and hiking.

So true. I have a lot of stories here. I'm sure elitts does as well. One story is that I gave up the CM position to be the Webelos leader of 16 scouts. No, we aren't supposed to do that. 

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2 hours ago, elitts said:

It's also where adults that were previously happy to run nice clean indoor programs start to cringe at the idea of actually camping and hiking.

UNDERSTATEMENT! Don't get me started on this. You really see the difference when it comes to retention at the Scouts BSA level.

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10 hours ago, Eagledad said:

So true. I have a lot of stories here. I'm sure elitts does as well. One story is that I gave up the CM position to be the Webelos leader of 16 scouts. No, we aren't supposed to do that. 

Barry

IMHO ... Webelos den leader is the absolute best role in cub scouts.  CM is fun.  CC is interesting.  BUT, Webelos den leader gets to take these cubs (and usually their dads) to special events, camping, visiting troops, etc.  ... Absolutely the best role in cubs.  ... IMHO, hardly a give up CM.  More like run from CM to WDL.  ... AND, WDL weirdly feels like less work than many of the other roles.  I'm not sure why, but it was.  

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8 hours ago, fred8033 said:

IMHO ... Webelos den leader is the absolute best role in cub scouts.  CM is fun.  CC is interesting.  BUT, Webelos den leader gets to take these cubs (and usually their dads) to special events, camping, visiting troops, etc.  ... Absolutely the best role in cubs.  ... IMHO, hardly a give up CM.  More like run from CM to WDL.  ... AND, WDL weirdly feels like less work than many of the other roles.  I'm not sure why, but it was.  

I look at it as providence. I was an ASM while I was the CM, so I gained the experience to know what the Webelos needed for a FUN program. While we couldn't find another Webelos leader, three volunteered to assist. And, the other parents were great. So, I did the planning and let the parents lead the activities. I think we did it right because one scout who went to a different troop told me at his Eagle ceremony that his Webelos experience was the most fun he had in scouts.

Barry

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