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5 hours ago, mrjohns2 said:

The CO doesn’t follow Scouts everywhere the go, nor are they responsible for them everywhere is unfounded.  To think they should is crazy and very controlling.

I don't like this 24/7 thing either, but this is the world we live in.  Recent events make it pretty clear that institutions are not immune from responsibility for actions that take place outside of their watch.  It is not so far-fetched to imagine that a CO might face problems as a result of OA elections. 

Instead of complaining about unit non-participation in OA elections, OA would do better by adjusting its rules to allow OA elections to take place without any unit or CO participation.  OA created this problem and OA can fix it.  

There is no need for OA members and unit scouters to clash over policies that OA could easily change.  This should not be my problem.  Take it to OA.

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Let me preface my comments by saying that as a youth, I was a Brotherhood member of the OA, and in my senior year was simultaneously SPL of my troop and editor of the Lodge newsletter, so I know from

My problem with OA today is that the program drivers (adult sponsors) don't plan a program where the activities practice growth toward the honor of serving others and camping. As a scout in the 70's,

As I recall my days in OA, the Scoutmaster begins the process by developing a list of scouts who are qualified for election, based on rank, # of nights camped, and last but not least, "Scout Spirit". 

As I recall my days in OA, the Scoutmaster begins the process by developing a list of scouts who are qualified for election, based on rank, # of nights camped, and last but not least, "Scout Spirit".  Not sure how Scouts could enter the process without that step.  I also agree that, beyond election night, OA participation is not a Unit responsibility.  Back in my day, it was up to me to decide which OA events to attend and arrange for my own transportation.  If my unit leaders attended, it was only because they were also OA members and were there providing "cheerful service" to the Lodge or Chapter.  It was not their job to "supervise" me as a member of their unit, nor was it their job to make sure I had transportation.  If the COs are going to be held responsible for what happens at OA events, then that changes the whole dynamic and OA as we know it will cease to exist.  Some may view that as a good thing...I do not.  OA is what kept me in Scouting and on the trail to Eagle.

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5 hours ago, mrjohns2 said:

What is the point? Not everything in Scouts revolves around the unit. Not a unit activity, not the responsibility of the unit. 

If we have learned anything from the scandals and bankruptcy, it is that BSA cannot be depended upon to safeguard our kids.  The Chartered Organizations need to step up and take responsibility.  We can't rely on any other outside group to do it.  Safeguarding our kids is our responsibility.

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43 minutes ago, David CO said:

If we have learned anything from the scandals and bankruptcy, it is that BSA cannot be depended upon to safeguard our kids.  The Chartered Organizations need to step up and take responsibility.  We can't rely on any other outside group to do it.  Safeguarding our kids is our responsibility.

Ok, I think I finally see where you are coming from.  It is obvious from your posts over the years that you care deeply about the kids.  I applaud.  long and loud. 

Yet there has to be a point where we let them spread their wings and fly. Short flights in good weather near the nest at first, of course. Then gradually farther and higher as they get stronger and wiser. Scouters and parents know there always comes a day when the kids are going  to go solo.  Whether we think they are ready or not 

Our job is to make them as prepared as we can for that day.  I do not believe that we can do that by constantly hovering over them. I might even go so far as to say that we do them a disservice by doing so 

So yeah, I let my kids go to OA functions, Jamborees, Philmont, Provo summer camp... They came back tired, sunburned and more confident. Proud that they had risen to the challenge.

So when it came time for them to go to college hundreds of miles away, I wasn't too worried.  

 

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42 minutes ago, Oldscout448 said:

So yeah, I let my kids go to OA functions, Jamborees, Philmont, Provo summer camp... They came back tired, sunburned and more confident.

I am very glad to hear that your kids are OK.  Not everyone was so lucky.  Some were scarred for life.  

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5 hours ago, David CO said:

I am very glad to hear that your kids are OK.  Not everyone was so lucky.  Some were scarred for life.  

That is sadly true.  There are predators out there, the two legged kind. I've met a few. Some in church, some in Scouting, as well as a few other places.  Some people I care very much about have been deeply hurt by these (insert unscoutlike word). 

You are doing what you think is right to protect those in your charge and I commend you for it. 

Peace 

 

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