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One of the Scouting FB groups that had these requirements posted, took down the post and 153 (last time I looked) comments down and is asking folks to report anyone who does post them. Sounds Orw

Careful please. Don't mistake my views vs. those of others. As I said, I believe as a MBC I could work with this MB. I can also very much see/know/observe in the Reddit and Facebook groups and ev

Impossible.  ... We value making connections with our scouts.  To make connections, we talk.  Maybe a few can discuss this topic at the ideal concept level.  But most will bring their politics into it

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1 hour ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

This is the video I would share as a MBC:

Outstanding video ...

You are braver than I am.  I would not post such a video because there are too many that are too quick to toss out words such as racist and biggot.  I find the video very useful and 100% worthy of discussion.  But I don't want to be the target of the stereo typing by people who would use such ugly and hateful words.  

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I removed the video because it's not helping, it violates the rules, we're running out of moderators, and I'm just tired of watching culture war. Nobody ever changes their mind once we hit this point. I'd suggest looking for a different approach.

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In our local paper this morning was an article about changes in the LDS handbook.  Much of what is noted in the article seems to follow some of the thinking involved in this discussion.  I find it a bit ironic that they leave BSA and then appear to be doing similar things in their review of disciplines.  

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3 minutes ago, MattR said:

I removed the video because it's not helping, it violates the rules, we're running out of moderators, and I'm just tired of watching culture war. Nobody ever changes their mind once we hit this point. I'd suggest looking for a different approach.

Please help me understand which rule this violated?

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14 minutes ago, MattR said:

I removed the video because it's not helping, it violates the rules, we're running out of moderators, and I'm just tired of watching culture war. Nobody ever changes their mind once we hit this point. I'd suggest looking for a different approach.

What was violated by that video?  The video seemed 100% useful and appropriate for this discussion.

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11 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

Please help me understand which rule this violated?

I am going to bet this rule.

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1 minute ago, CynicalScouter said:

I am going to bet this rule.

 

The video was 100% on-topic.  Many people believe the DE&I badge is propaganda and can't be taught constructively without pulling in individuals personal political beliefs.   The video has 100% on-topic discussion topics.  Is race real?  Is it useful to discuss?  Where do the issues start?  How to work with police?

Removing that video is today's canceling culture and is censorship.

If you want this badge, we need the ability to discuss and debate the topics in the badge.

 

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22 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

I am going to bet this rule.

 

"must pertain to the original post and respectfully move the discussion forward."

How does this not pertain to DI&E MB requirements?  

Req 1.  The video address facts and opinions of influential people who are members of a perceived disaffected group.  Helps to understand what "equity" and "bigotry" are and are not.

These people are perfect examples of "upstanders."  They witness unjust accusations and asperisons being cast, and they address them publicly with facts and experience.

 

Req 2.  Self-evident

 

Req 3.  Replete with examples

 

Req 6.  Yup

 

Req 8.  Yup

 

@MattR , I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

 

Lol, @CynicalScouter I just thought, maybe I should be a Merit Badge Counselor for this!

 

 

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3 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

The video was 100% on-topic.  Many people believe the DE&I badge is propaganda and can't be taught constructively without pulling in individuals personal political beliefs.   The video has 100% on-topic discussion topics.  Is race real?  Is it useful to discuss?  Where do the issues start?  How to work with police?

Removing that video is today's canceling culture and is censorship.

If you want this badge, we need the ability to discuss and debate the topics in the badge.

 

No, censorship would be deleting the posts, locking the thread, and banning those that participated.

Go ahead and discuss as much as you want. The reason we put in that rule was that it was too easy for people to create a bunch of content that reflected their anger about something without thinking about all of the content they've posted. That's where threads tend to go bad. What we want is for people to spend the time to pick their words carefully. That's not censorship. That's asking for civil discourse among people that disagree with each other.

 

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6 minutes ago, MattR said:

No, censorship would be deleting the posts, locking the thread, and banning those that participated.

Go ahead and discuss as much as you want. The reason we put in that rule was that it was too easy for people to create a bunch of content that reflected their anger about something without thinking about all of the content they've posted. That's where threads tend to go bad. What we want is for people to spend the time to pick their words carefully. That's not censorship. That's asking for civil discourse among people that disagree with each other.

 

 

The video was 100% on target and useful to the discussion.   The point is the D,E&I badge will pull in politics.  Period.  The video was 100% on-topic.

BSA was the original non-political organization.  Hold up and wave the flag.  I'm good with that.  Pledge of allegiance.  Fine.  Teaching how government works fine. 

I've been involved for almost 20 years.  Perhaps it's time for me to finish up too.  It's not that I don't want to be part of an organization like BSA.  I'm not sure I want my kids involved and subject to the whims of political discussions like this, left or right.  Teach them fire, knives, camping, tenting, etc.  Teach them responsibility and taking care of themselves.  Teach them that their choices have results.  Don't zip up your tent, you will eventually sleep in a soggy sleeping bag.  

You want a badge like D,E&I, fine.  Prepare for discussion.  But let it be real discussion.

 

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2 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

The video was 100% on target and useful to the discussion.   The point is the D,E&I badge will pull in politics.  Period.  This is another example of BSA picking a fight that will damage BSA.

@fred8033, to your point, and to move the discussion forward with you I respectfully ask you to search for a You Tube video on the interview with Mike Rowe (an Distinguished Eagle Scout, I'm sure you know) titled The Scouts' wounds are 'self-inflicted'

To save those whose feelings would be hurt by the content of that video, and not to burden the thinly stretched moderator corps, I will not post the video here.

It goes to the heart of the discussion here.

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1 hour ago, BamBam said:

All I can say is just wow. Comments like this is why the merit badge is needed. You choose the views of millionaires to say what is wrong with Black Americans.They are so removed from the plight of everyday Black Americans.  Sorry. That doesn't fly. Attitudes like this is... Nevermind let me keep the rest of my thoughts to myself.

I woild have liked to see the video to understand your comments..  Which "millionaires"?

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