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Who can technically fire/replace a Charter Organization Representative?

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I have read all the Guidebook Literature and looked at a number of Scouter Forum discussions and there doesn't appear to be any official method for removal of a Chartered Org Rep (COR), and replacing them with someone who actually does the job as defined in the Guidebook. Any guidance on this from some Troop that has experienced this problem out there?

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The BSA adult application says:  "The chartered organization representative is approved by the head of the chartered organization."

As a general rule, the person with the power to appoint also has the power to remove / fire.

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3 hours ago, NYCScouter said:

I have read all the Guidebook Literature and looked at a number of Scouter Forum discussions and there doesn't appear to be any official method for removal of a Chartered Org Rep (COR), and replacing them with someone who actually does the job as defined in the Guidebook. Any guidance on this from some Troop that has experienced this problem out there?

The head of the chartered organization, referred to in Scouting literature as the "executive officer." These may sometimes be the same person. "The Chartered Organization Representative (COR), who will be appointed by the Chartered Organization."

See the Chartered Organization Representative Guidebook.

As for how, the only way I've seen it done has been to offer up a new person. Simply going to the Chartered Org itself or the EO thereof and complaining never, ever, ever works. What I have seen work is "Hey COR thanks for your service, would you be interested in letting so and so have a chance?" or easing the person out with a replacement already picked.
Remember: the COR was put there by the Chartered Org. You have to in effect convince the Chartered Org was wrong in the first place or is wrong now to keep this person around AND that someone else is willing to step up. I know at lots of units whose COR remains only because no one else wants the position/is scared of the position.

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Charter organization head can.  If a church, that's a pastor at the church or the church council.  

CynicalScouter hit it on the head and addressed my main concern.  When people ask how to replace someone in the scouting structure, it's because of conflict in the unit or other problems.  I'd really invest in making connections, building friendships, getting to know people and seeing if you can encourage change in a friendly, constructive way ... as CynicalScouter said.  Always avoid power struggles.  They never work and people get damaged. 

I'd also reflect on the assertion that the COR is not doing his job.  The job of a COR is pretty small and ideally, almost invisible.  Is it really the COR not doing the job or is there conflict in the unit and a vision that things could be different?

 

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1 hour ago, fred8033 said:

Charter organization head can.  If a church, that's a pastor at the church or the church council.  

CynicalScouter hit it on the head and addressed my main concern.  When people ask how to replace someone in the scouting structure, it's because of conflict in the unit or other problems.  I'd really invest in making connections, building friendships, getting to know people and seeing if you can encourage change in a friendly, constructive way ... as CynicalScouter said.  Always avoid power struggles.  They never work and people get damaged. 

I'd also reflect on the assertion that the COR is not doing his job.  The job of a COR is pretty small and ideally, almost invisible.  Is it really the COR not doing the job or is there conflict in the unit and a vision that things could be different?

Reply from NYCScouter: Excellent and measured responses from both of you.  Thank you.  I think I've become a battered political cynic myself in this age of hyper partisan forum discussions.  Eveyone is a troll on political forums in the age of Trump, and usually deeply misinformed and proportionately aggressive. But it certainly makes a great deal of sense that Scouters might actually consider the nuanced motivations for such a question, and provide Scout-like solutions and decorum.  You gave me the answer I needed, even if the way in which our particular COR was chosen followed none of the standard selection process detailed here.

I will carefully consider the wisdom in both your answers, your succession solutions, and think about the path forward in our circumstance. Thank you once again.

 

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In addition to the above, anyone who can remove the COR's BSA membership.

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On 7/14/2020 at 7:40 PM, fred8033 said:

Always avoid power struggles. 

Yes, try to avoid power struggles.  Especially so if the person you are struggling with has all the power.

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