jpb6583 9 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, SSScout said: *Ahem* Any news on Scouter Surbaugh ? *crickets* That man saw the writing on the wall and quietly got the hell out of Dodge. A decade or less... Edited November 29, 2019 by jpb6583 spelling Link to post Share on other sites
qwazse 4342 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, jpb6583 said: *crickets* That man saw the writing on the wall and quietly got the hell out of Dodge. A decade or less... I wouldn't feed a rumor mill. I will say that as our SE he was not one to take a sick day. Nor was he one to shy away from tough issues. Link to post Share on other sites
carebear3895 218 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Looks like y'all may be getting your wish. The new CSE is expected to come from outside the Profession. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
T2Eagle 902 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 hours ago, carebear3895 said: Looks like y'all may be getting your wish. The new CSE is expected to come from outside the Profession. I have long thought that any organization where virtually everyone in it has been in that organization and that organization alone since they were in their twenties is going to be weaker as a result. Every organization needs folks who have seen other challenges and other solutions, been exposed to different ideas, had to design and implement different organizational schema.. The BSA model's for selection of leaders is stuck in the seventies. There's probably no organization of comparable size that uses this model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
desertrat77 1144 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) The BSA needs new professional leadership. The professional staff, above the DE level, has become insular and tone deaf, completely disengaged from the nuts and bolts of unit level scouting. And gold loop business/management/accounting/communication/human relation/budgeting skills? Atrocious. "Sell more popcorn" they tell the units. National didn't sell one tin of popcorn before they pawned Philmont. Edited December 17, 2019 by desertrat77 3 Link to post Share on other sites
RememberSchiff 3655 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, desertrat77 said: National didn't sell one tin of popcorn before they pawned Philmont. But they are marketing Family Adventure Camps. ..How will you Philmont? https://scoutingmagazine.org/2019/12/philmonts-family-adventure-camp-lets-everybody-in-on-the-fun/ P.S. Pawning Philmont does not appear on article "A Philmont Timeline". Link to post Share on other sites
Jameson76 1481 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, T2Eagle said: The BSA model's for selection of leaders is stuck in the seventies. There's probably no organization of comparable size that uses this model. Stuck in the 70's...try the middle ages. BSA has been succession by the royal heir that survived the intrigue in the kingdom. The leader is not the one who can lead and move the BSA to greater heights, it's the best politician who can make backroom deals. No challengers or boat rockers allowed. Also no outside ideas. Must.Drink.The.Kool.Aid We can all see how great this model has worked out in Congress and Federal Agencies. Link to post Share on other sites
Jameson76 1481 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 hours ago, carebear3895 said: Looks like y'all may be getting your wish. The new CSE is expected to come from outside the Profession. From your lips to the volunteers ears. This would shake up some underlings Link to post Share on other sites
desertrat77 1144 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said: But they are marketing Family Adventure Camps. ..How will you Philmont? https://scoutingmagazine.org/2019/12/philmonts-family-adventure-camp-lets-everybody-in-on-the-fun/ P.S. Pawning Philmont does not appear on article "A Philmont Timeline". True, the family camps are high quality with great staff. However, sign ups were extremely low this last summer (sorry I don't have exact numbers). Even with a significant increase in family sign ups, the fees would barely cover costs. Edited to add: I'm shocked--shocked--they didn't mention hocking Philmont! 🤕 Edited December 17, 2019 by desertrat77 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RememberSchiff 3655 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, carebear3895 said: Looks like y'all may be getting your wish. The new CSE is expected to come from outside the Profession. IMHO, if the BSA goes Chapter 11, the BSA appointing an outside, "responsible person" * as CEO (CSE) will not fly. Following the Bankruptcy Code, a court will appoint an independent Chapter 11 trustee. This may explain the year-long "considering bankruptcy", BSA executives are trying to maintain control (organization destiny and their jobs) during bankruptcy. All companies want to do this, but ... You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime you find. You get what you need. * Who is Responsible here? "Responsible Persons" in Chapter 11 Cases https://www.justice.gov/archive/ust/articles/docs/2008/abi_200805.pdf My $0.02, Edited December 17, 2019 by RememberSchiff 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jameson76 1481 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RememberSchiff said: IMHO, if the BSA goes Chapter 11, the BSA appointing an outside, "responsible person" * as CEO (CSE) will not fly. Following the Bankruptcy Code, a court will appoint an independent Chapter 11 trustee. This may explain the year-long "considering bankruptcy", BSA executives are trying to maintain control (organization destiny and their jobs) during bankruptcy. All companies want to do this, but ... You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime you find. You get what you need. * Who is Responsible here? "Responsible Persons" in Chapter 11 Cases https://www.justice.gov/archive/ust/articles/docs/2008/abi_200805.pdf My $0.02, Good Lord we've started quoting the Rolling Stones to help explain what the BSA executives may be up to. I did not see that coming 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle1993 2160 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 4:03 PM, carebear3895 said: Looks like y'all may be getting your wish. The new CSE is expected to come from outside the Profession. I’m starting to hear rumors that there will be more changes at National after the year end and work will start transferring to councils. Not sure what work but should be interesting to see where this goes. Link to post Share on other sites
mrjohns2 577 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 9:18 PM, T2Eagle said: I have long thought that any organization where virtually everyone in it has been in that organization and that organization alone since they were in their twenties is going to be weaker as a result. Every organization needs folks who have seen other challenges and other solutions, been exposed to different ideas, had to design and implement different organizational schema.. The BSA model's for selection of leaders is stuck in the seventies. There's probably no organization of comparable size that uses this model. Procter & Gamble, a 185 year plus Fortune 50 company, has always promoted from within. Still does. Some say it is outdated, and some don't. Link to post Share on other sites
TAHAWK 1420 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 11:49 PM, Eagle1993 said: I’m starting to hear rumors that there will be more changes at National after the year end and work will start transferring to councils. Not sure what work but should be interesting to see where this goes. Scouts Canada tried that. They reached out for a CEO to private enterprise and recruited a new leader for the challenging times. She had new ideas. Good speaker. The bureaucrats and grey backs, who rarely agree about anything, resisted her ideas and proved to be more than she wanted to deal with, and she resigned after a few months. Link to post Share on other sites
MattR 2659 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, TAHAWK said: Scouts Canada tried that. They reached out for a CEO to private enterprise and recruited a new leader for the challenging times. She had new ideas. Good speaker. The bureaucrats and grey backs, who rarely agree about anything, resisted her ideas and proved to be more than she wanted to deal with, and she resigned after a few months. That just means we'll have to make a lot of encouraging noise. I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites
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