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Looks like Netzsmartz no longer has a scouting section to do some of the requirements (grade 6-8 #4). I wish BSA would do away with this stuff.

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2 hours ago, HashTagScouts said:

Always a problem when you have your program tied to an outside third party...

 

I agree 110%. Kinda like what National did with the Leave No Trace Trainer youth POR. In order to be a LNT Trainer, you had to go through their training. And few places wanted 16-17 year olds in the class. most wanted 18+

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13 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

I agree 110%. Kinda like what National did with the Leave No Trace Trainer youth POR. In order to be a LNT Trainer, you had to go through their training. And few places wanted 16-17 year olds in the class. most wanted 18+

Yeah, I think that enlisting older scouts as the Outdoor Ethics Guide (new POR name) is a tough sell, although it really is the most mature scouts who are able to "own" that role and make it sing. (Most troops never fill that POR and many that do never train their OE Guide.  VERY few troops have any adults who really understand OE either.)

I think it may have been a Center for Outdoor Ethics guideline that suggested age 16+ for LNT training.  I'm seeing councils nowadays opening up their LNT Trainer courses to youth 14+ (which I think is good, since the training costs $$$ and is a significant time investment at 16 hours for the Trainer course).  A trained 14-year old can potentially provide OE leadership to the troop for up to 4 years, whereas a lot of those 16-17 year olds were going to age out in only a year or so. 

 

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Our council cant get our act together for teaching Outdoor Ethics let alone LNT. My district reps have now ghosted me and wont respond to any of my questions regarding this type of training although they keep asking when can they come and discuss Friends of Scouting donation. 

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15 hours ago, HashTagScouts said:

Always a problem when you have your program tied to an outside third party... The videos are still there, not nicely grouped under a Scouting specific page.  Here's a link for the internet safety pledge.  http://archive.ikeepsafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Internet-Safety-Pledge-II.pdf

  

I don't recall seeing this pledge before and don't remember any reference to porn in scouting. Thank you for the link.

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16 hours ago, TMSM said:

Looks like Netzsmartz no longer has a scouting section to do some of the requirements (grade 6-8 #4). I wish BSA would do away with this stuff.

It's good that BSA is doing something to introduce scouts to the myriad cyber risks that exist today....but I'm not convinced that the Netsmartz materials ever treated the topics as broadly or deeply as they should have. It's also bothered me that many of the Netsmartz materials appear outdated with few new videos that adequately explain the ever-involving risks of using social media, smart phones, downloading apps, etc. 

Scouters who want to do a good job talking to scouts (and parents) about cyber risks can educate themselves by looking at sites beyond Netsmartz.  There are quite a few that I visit regularly, and one of my current favorites is GetCyberSafe, which is run by the Canadian government:  https://www.getcybersafe.gc.ca/index-en.aspx 

 

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9 minutes ago, TMSM said:

I don't recall seeing this pledge before and don't remember any reference to porn in scouting. Thank you for the link.

The Internet Pledge I've used in teaching Cyber Chip is the one that's printed on the back of the cards you hand to scouts when they complete the requirements...

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8 hours ago, mrkstvns said:

I think it may have been a Center for Outdoor Ethics guideline that suggested age 16+ for LNT training.  I'm seeing councils nowadays opening up their LNT Trainer courses to youth 14+ (which I think is good, since the training costs $$$ and is a significant time investment at 16 hours for the Trainer course).  A trained 14-year old can potentially provide OE leadership to the troop for up to 4 years, whereas a lot of those 16-17 year olds were going to age out in only a year or so. 

 

I don't know whose guideline it was, but since none of the councils in my area, I am on the border of 2 plus my own, offer LNT Trainer Courses, if you wanted to take it, you had to look elsewhere. And most of those places wanted 18+.I think i found 1 place offering it for 16+, but it was out of state if memory serves.

 

And I agree with you  on youth leadership.. 

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14 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

I don't know whose guideline it was, but since none of the councils in my area, I am on the border of 2 plus my own, offer LNT Trainer Courses, if you wanted to take it, you had to look elsewhere. And most of those places wanted 18+.I think i found 1 place offering it for 16+, but it was out of state if memory serves.

That's unfortunate.  

If you're interested in knowing what Leave No Trace (or other OE) courses are coming up at councils around the country, you can find listings on the BSA OE site:
http://outdoorethics-bsa.org/

I'm happy that in Texas, the LNT Trainer course is offered fairly often.  Next month, LNT classes are happening in the Capital Area Council (Austin), Alamo Council (San Antonio), and Sam Houston Area Council (Houston).  I have seen both the LNT Trainer and the LNT Master Educator class being offered in the Circle Ten Council (Fort Worth).  Scouts and scouters in the Lone Star State have quite a few ways to get their outdoor ethics training fix!

Cheers!

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I was never happy with the CyberChip curriculum. Something that is required for 2 Ranks and as a requirement for several Merit Badges should be something that can be taught in a Ptrol or Troop setting. My work environment requires a much higher than normal knowledge base in cyber security, so I am eager to see what BSA comes up with as a replacement program. I have tended to share some of my working knowledge as additional information during a session that we had used as preparation for new Scouts to earn their CyberChip right after crossover from Cubs.

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24 minutes ago, AVTech said:

I was never happy with the CyberChip curriculum. Something that is required for 2 Ranks and as a requirement for several Merit Badges should be something that can be taught in a Ptrol or Troop setting.  ...

Cyber Chip can be taught in a patrol or troop setting.  I have taught it several times. I usually do embellish the materials with updated info (because risks constantly change with technology) and I use extra material from sources in addition to NetSmartz. 

A few months ago, I put some of my methods and experiences into the following post on this site:

 

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