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Without knowing specifics, some other considerations are that sometimes it might not be a difficult item, but a nonetheless important one. At the cub level getting baloo trained leaders can be an issue for some packs. It’s not a huge amount of time, but it’s a necessary one for the pack to do things. Additionally, without seeing a whole ticket, it could be an easy step on the way to a much more difficult one. I won’t defend purely easy tickets, but there can be some logic in making some steps easier, if the others are all very long term and hard. 

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I'm reminded that Wood Badge, like all training, is merely an opportunity to acquire knew knowledge and skills. 

The beads, neckerchief, and woggle are merely symbols presented to someone who has undergone the process of attempting to acquire more knowledge & skills.  We can debate eternally whether 6 days of training and 5 projects over 18 months warrants special symbols.  To me, the beads are more a recognition of completing the ticket than sitting through some classes. 

A simple ticket really just cheats one person - the Scouter.  Sure, it seems like the Scouter gets by easy.  But, the goal of Wood Badge really isn't getting in the beads.  The goal of Wood Badge is to grow as a Scouter by going through the process.  The ticket is really that part of the process where a leader sits down and establishes a vision he'd like to achieve for his unit and then works through five tasks to help in accomplishing that vision.  The participant should look for some goals and ticket items that are worth the effort.  The course staff should help to encourage a Scouter to challenge himself - but again, if a Scouter is determined to get by easy, it can happen.

One related thing - I would encourage anyone who goes through the program to write a ticket that benefits their unit.  In our council, it's required that 4 of the 5 ticket items have to directly relate to your primary role in Scouting.  If you're an ASM, then is has to be something to do with you being an ASM.  I get that in some councils it's different.  I'd still encourage you to write ticket items that related to your unit.  Being an ASM who then goes off and does ticket items about district or council stuff is missing the mark a bit. 

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7 hours ago, ParkMan said:

One related thing - I would encourage anyone who goes through the program to write a ticket that benefits their unit.  In our council, it's required that 4 of the 5 ticket items have to directly relate to your primary role in Scouting.  If you're an ASM, then is has to be something to do with you being an ASM.  I get that in some councils it's different.  I'd still encourage you to write ticket items that related to your unit.  Being an ASM who then goes off and does ticket items about district or council stuff is missing the mark a bit. 

I am signed up to do our Councils Wood badge next fall.  Looking forward to see it for myself. 

 

Tickets might be a challenge for me, I already volunteer in a Pack, 2 troops, and district level.  Last years course had 90% of the council staff in it, so of course when it became ticket writing time, they were "influencing" district and council level tickets out of people.  Not all people caved, but the ones struggling to think of their own jumped on board.

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Hi @Summitdog,

I served as a Wood Badge course director earlier this year and I highly encourage you to take Wood Badge when you are ready. If you are interested in knowing more, you may read my biog post about Wood Badge and the reason it exists:

https://scoutlaw.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/so-what-is-wood-badge/

Yours in Scouting Service,

LeCastor 

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On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 12:23 AM, ParkMan said:

One related thing - I would encourage anyone who goes through the program to write a ticket that benefits their unit.  In our council, it's required that 4 of the 5 ticket items have to directly relate to your primary role in Scouting.  If you're an ASM, then is has to be something to do with you being an ASM.  I get that in some councils it's different.  I'd still encourage you to write ticket items that related to your unit.  Being an ASM who then goes off and does ticket items about district or council stuff is missing the mark a bit.  

Well, yes and no.   Good wife came to Scouting by way of her Eagle Scout husband and eager son. She had a bad experience with a past spouse who had a bad experience with his dad in and out of Scouts, so when son asked (!) to be a Cub Scout, she had to depend on me to help her see the benefits. So I did....

After Den Leadering, She became  the Cub Scout Day Camp Director, ending up training /apprenticing the next two CSDC Directors. Me?  I became her First Assistant Everything Else (that was my official title, patch and all). CubScoutson went on to Boy Scouts and I became an ASM.  When I attended WB, my ticket designs were mostly about Cub Scouts and  Day Camp. My WB Counselors said no, no, your tickets MUST apply to your registered position.  But, But, But....   no, gotta change something.  

AHA ! You should be a Commissioner !  ? a what?   So I became a Commissioner, and Presto ! I can apply my experience to almost any part of Scouting, so I did, and I did....  

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Thank you everyone for the replies.  As I understand it from the posts, the "tickets' are supposed to be related to one's registered position, correct?  Isn't a merit badge counselor also a registered position?  Does that mean the tickets could be either for the ASM position or the MB position if one holds both? 

 

Thanks,

Scotty

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57 minutes ago, Summitdog said:

Thank you everyone for the replies.  As I understand it from the posts, the "tickets' are supposed to be related to one's registered position, correct?  Isn't a merit badge counselor also a registered position?  Does that mean the tickets could be either for the ASM position or the MB position if one holds both? 

 

Thanks,

Scotty

Look at the tickets as opportunities to learn and grow. Too many scouters create tickets that are intentionally easy so the can get them done. I teach developing tickets that give experience and insight into your responsibilities. You might just find out you don’t like your responsibility. 

The tickets don’t have to be hard or take a lot of time. Just have a purpose and defined completion.

Let’s say you want to be the New Scout ASM some day. Do a ticket that observes New Scout ASMs in other troops. The goal is to learn skills and techniques for New Scout ASMs. Completion is 4 Troops.

Another is develope and teach a course of MB counselor guidelines for New Counselors. Our CC did this for our troop. Someone in district was so impressed that they requested she teach a district course. 

Can you see where I’m heading?

Barry

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I think @Eagledad describes it well.

I'd only add that in our council, we did ask participants to pick a primary position.  It's your choice what that position is.

When you write the ticket, part of the point is to establish a big picture goal that you'd like to accomplish for your time in that position.  Your ticket is a series of smaller projects that help you accomplish that goal.  A goal for an ASM is probably different than a goal for a MB counselor.  So that's why you'll probably see them nudge you to pick one of the two positions to focus on.  But, if both of those roles are important to your vision for the troop, then I imagine you can find a way to work them both in.

As an example.  When I took the course I was an Asst. Cubmaster.  My goal was to see us develop into a more energetic pack with lots of participation.  Some of my goals were things like: start a summertime program, increase participation on camping trips, foster a sense of den spirit by introducing den names, cheers, & flags.

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