VentureScoutNY 10 Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 This morning on CNN, Nick Berg's (the contractor who was be-headed in Iraq) father spoke out today to reporters. He explained how Al-Quida killed a friend by killing Nick Berg, and how he was there to help re-build Iraq, and not tear it down. He described his son as peaceful and giving, and how he was against violence. He said his son quit the BSA because he did not want to "fire handguns" after his troop was invited to tour some kind of military base. I thought that was Interesting...just thought I'd share. Correct me if I am wrong though, but I thought handguns were off limits to scouts? If not, a scout would never be forced to shoot anything if he did not want to. Either way, I'm sure his father was just trying to explain how his son was against violence. Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Shooting targets is an Olympic Sport. Sawing off heads is violence. Link to post Share on other sites
KoreaScouter 13 Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Handguns are authorized as a Venture activity. As far as I'm concerned, his father can say anything he wants about anybody he wants at this point and get a 100% pass -- no parent should have to go through what he is right now. I can't imagine how painful it must be... KS Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Yet another tragedy. When are we going to figure out that imposing our ideas of peaceful democracy on a people who have little or no interest in these ideas, is only going to get more former Boy Scouts, and others, killed in this horrible manner? Link to post Share on other sites
dsteele 20 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Meanpc: I was thinking about looking up the video. I'll skip it now, thanks to your advice. It was an awful thing that was done. Unc. Link to post Share on other sites
Adrianvs 10 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 "...imposing our ideas of peaceful democracy on a people who have little or no interest in these ideas.." Interesting. Very interesting. Are you proposing that they have an interest in absolutism, tyranny, oppression, and violence? If so, how did they get this? Was it imposed at some point in the past? Is it genetic, mein Herr? Is it cultural, Monsieur? It seems like quite the dilemma. One can impose absolutism on a people, but it can never be reversed. I'm sure that the Japanese after WWII would agree with you. I tend not to, however. Everyone has an interest in peaceful self-rule. Everyone deserves the chance to it. One more question: if these people have no interest in peaceful self-rule (which would indicate that they prefer violent absolutism), then why would they object to any "imposing" at all? Or is it just that you feel the 'subhuman dogs' not worth our enlightened interest? Or do you think that they would more likely have an interest in some form of secular and socialist absolutism? What would you propose that the Iraqi people need right now? Bring back Saddam? Bring over the Ayatollah? A People's Revolution? A coronation of a king? Link to post Share on other sites
KoreaScouter 13 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 This thread should move to issues & politics... KS Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Old Guy 11 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 For a moment, I had thought about watching the video but decided that I didn't need another reason to have nightmares. Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Roger that. Link to post Share on other sites
molscouter 10 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Ditto on watching the video. (This message has been edited by molscouter) Link to post Share on other sites
LovetoCamp 9 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 My younger brother is an Air Force Staff Sergeant and has been continuously in and out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and places in between since our country was savagedly attacked by Al-Quaida and their knowing accomplices on Sept 11. He's got a vest and a side arm, but my kids and I say a prayer for him every night. That's his mission. If he is killed. I will be devasted. But, I will understand. If I was killed in 1990, my folks would (I hope) have been crushed, but would have understood my mission. Being that I thought I was John Wayne reincarnated, I had to soldier and take care of soldiers. But, if my civilian brother or one of my sons wanted to go make some quick bucks and said he was going to tool around the Sunni Triangle looking for jobs, I'd still have him in a death-grip of a headlock. I wouldn't let go until he changed him mind and headed to The North Slope in Alaska instead. Why did Mr. Berg let him go over there by himself like that? Link to post Share on other sites
VentureScoutNY 10 Posted May 14, 2004 Author Share Posted May 14, 2004 True, I should have posted this in Issues & politics, my mistake. TP, I understand what your saying. It's importatnt to stay the course and complete a mission. But I believe Mr. Berg believed his son had his own mission, to do some good in this world. Lend a hand, and make a difference. I am with you though, if any civilian friends of mine wanted to go over there I would try my best to keep them here, but some people need to do what they have to do. If he was over there looking to make a "quick buck" I was not aware of that... Link to post Share on other sites
Eamonn 61 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Trying to make sense of senseless violence, doesn't make sense. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. While it is not up to us to judge these people only God can do that. We can only help the judgment to come sooner, rather then later. Eamonn Link to post Share on other sites
baschram645 10 Posted May 15, 2004 Share Posted May 15, 2004 My heart felt sympathy to the Berg family. I guess I would wear a hood too if I did something I was ashamed of doing. Good thing they can't hide behind a mask from God. Link to post Share on other sites
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