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14 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

They are not mutually exclusive either. This is already happening. Families have been trying to water down Scouting for years. This is just another avenue for them to use. And when you look at how BSA has been marketing family this and family that, can "compelling" troops and crews to be more "family-friendly" really be un-thinkable? I can tell you from personal experience it is already happening.

 

So you're arguing against a current policy change using an old issue that already existed to further your point. Understood. 

14 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

And the majority of people in Scouting who didn't want the change are right here too. What makes your position any more correct than ours? We were working to keep BSA the way it was but you imply with your response that you hold the moral high ground. Really?

 

I have yet to see the data saying that the majority of people scouting wanted one thing or another in any of these issues. You know as well as I do that those surveys are very questionable when it comes to being impartial and accurate. 

I'm not claiming any moral high ground, I said in the post you quoted that we're all in this because we love it. The difference between you and me is that I'll debate these issues with you and treat you as an equal while doing so. Meanwhile you treat anyone who disagrees with you as that nefarious "they", the agenda-weilding nusiance bent on destrying the BSA. 

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Regarding the surveys and policy changes, I think it is safe to say national doesn't care what we in the field think. The homosexual membership policies had slim majorities against the change, and they did it anyway. And let's not forget the Instapalm survey in 2015. 94% agreed or strongly agreed with keeping the 3 months tenure for palms, and national created instapalms anyway.

 

And if the surveys, which were IMHO deliberately limited to avoid a good sample AND had such biased questions that it was ridiculous, truly reflected the majority of members, Scouters, and family members supports girls joining the program, then why don't they publish the results?

 

Again the decision was made by national, and it was made prior to July 2017 as the newest membership applications remove the words boys when describing Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.

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Mike, you seem to be arguing that your position is the right one and how dare anyone denigrate what you've worked for.

All I a saying is that many here see what you supported as denigrating our work to keep things the way they were. So you can't call out someone for opposing what you worked for when you oppose what they were working for. 

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8 hours ago, Col. Flagg said:

Mike, you seem to be arguing that your position is the right one and how dare anyone denigrate what you've worked for.

All I a saying is that many here see what you supported as denigrating our work to keep things the way they were. So you can't call out someone for opposing what you worked for when you oppose what they were working for. 

I'm not saying that at all. Not even sure what I've said that could be interpreted that way. 

Nevertheless, let's move on. 

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