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44 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

 The Scoutmaster for the Troop we feed was also there (talking about Klondike awards) and gave an enthusiastic speech about why it is great to have girls officially in Scouts.  He stated that the Troop plans to add them as soon as possible.  

How does he plan to add them when troops have to be separate?

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54 minutes ago, ItsBrian said:

How does he plan to add them when troops have to be separate?

Option 1 - If BSA requires separate Troops for girls they will form a girl Troop and meet at the same time/place.  They have enough ASMs to staff up a girl Troop from their existing Boy Scout Troop.

Option 2 - Based on rumors we are hearing BSA may allow Troops to add girls as a separate Patrol.  

They would prefer Option 2 but either case leads to the same functional outcome.

One note.. this Troop has had girls unofficially participating for years.  They can’t do summer camps or other council activities but they go on high adventure and other outings.  A few even work on MBs (unofficially).  So the culture of the Troop is essentially coed.

 

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It is interesting that families are leaving Girl Scouts for Boy Scouts and if that's a natural result it's not too bad.  One little sister told me at blue and gold that she joined girl scouts,and I asked her what she's done in girl scouts and she said -- sell cookies!!!

I feel that GS is all cookie, cookie, cookie.  if I were a girl mom I would try to get away from it too. 

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40 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

It is interesting that families are leaving Girl Scouts for Boy Scouts and if that's a natural result it's not too bad.  One little sister told me at blue and gold that she joined girl scouts,and I asked her what she's done in girl scouts and she said -- sell cookies!!!

I feel that GS is all cookie, cookie, cookie.  if I were a girl mom I would try to get away from it too. 

I started to write paragraphs of my and other parents’ experience with GSUSA but I decided I was becoming not Scout like.  I’ll just say when we started girls in our Pack my wife, other leaders and I were very protective of GSUSA.  After my daughter’s experience and hearing reports of others we have all lost respect for that organization and unless something changes I plan to pull my daughter out (as do others).

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40 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

It is interesting that families are leaving Girl Scouts for Boy Scouts and if that's a natural result it's not too bad.  One little sister told me at blue and gold that she joined girl scouts,and I asked her what she's done in girl scouts and she said -- sell cookies!!!

I feel that GS is all cookie, cookie, cookie.  if I were a girl mom I would try to get away from it too. 

It really does depend on who leads it. My mother was in GS for years even after my sister aged out. She was the one that was in charge of all the camporee s (100+ Scouts at each one), planned all the weekend trips, activities, etc.

I was able to go once when I was young and it was a fantastic experience. I mean there was all these fancy cabins with toasters and stuff, but so many were tent camping as well. And they did low cope just like Boy Scouts do, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

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I've been lurking for a little while, trying to learn a little about
the differences between BSA and GSUSA culture, but I guess I'll jump
in and speak up now.  I have a 6th grade daughter, who after hearing
the BSA plans to admit girls in 2019, and after reading an old Boy
Scout handbook, tells me she wants to become a Boy Scout as soon as
the program is available to girls her age.  So we are thinking about
crossing the Tiber.

A couple of comments on the differences: BSA has camping and outdoor
skills built into the rank advancement.  GSUSA does not: outdoor stuff
is completely optional.  Combine that with "girl led" which often
means "majority rule", then if the majority of girls in a troop don't
want to camp, then the troop does not camp (and the majoriy of the
girls in the troop are happy with that situation). But some of the
minority of want-to-go-outside-and-get-muddy girls may find BSA
attractive.  Other families seem to be perfectly happy with the GSUSA
program as is.

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58 minutes ago, Treflienne said:

...  So we are thinking about crossing the Tiber.

A couple of comments on the differences: BSA has camping and outdoor
skills built into the rank advancement.  GSUSA does not: ... the
minority of want-to-go-outside-and-get-muddy girls may find BSA
attractive.  Other families seem to be perfectly happy with the GSUSA
program as is.

@Treflienne, welcome to the forums!

Thanks for your insight.

FYI - If you were anywhere near the Tiber (or the Po), your daughter could join Scout's Italia today, and she would have a "Boy Scouts Italy" patch on her shoulder. At least that's what an exchange student from there had on her uniform when she joined our crew.

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@Treflienne

Good to hear your interest and I wish you the best of luck!

Thanks for the details and that is essentially what I have seen with my daughter’s Troop and what I have heard from other GSUSA members who have joined our Pack.

The other issues I face is that our local Troop meetings are right after school so:

- a lot of girls attend as a social activity and free after school daycare, many of them have no desire for doing outdoor activities (their outing that was voted on is going to the American Doll store)

- Another Troop is not an option.  We would never be able to get my daughter out of school to another Troop meeting on time, so if we don’t like our Troop’s activities we are out of luck.

@ItsBrian is correct as I’m sure there are some great outdoor focused GSUSA Troops out there.  I just wish it was more common but understand my daughter is probably in the minority (girls that would perfer a hike vs going to a doll store).

 

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My daughter will be attending her first Cub Scout meeting in a few weeks. She is currently a Girl Scout and plans to remain active in both.

She is so geeked to be a Cub Scout that she has been using her tablet (we don't have any of the books yet) to research Bobcat requirements and she has asked her older Boy Scout brother to help her study so that she can earn her Bobcat at her first meeting.

 

On an unrelated tangent, my son built his improvised natural shelter over the weekend for his Wilderness Survival Merit Badge. He plans to sleep in it next weekend.

<-Proud papa.

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I found Eagle1993's description of their local troop's plans for adding
girls very interesting.  (a girl patrol in existing troop, or a girl
troop meeting at same time/place as the boys.)

Has anyone heard, in their towns, of anyone planning on starting up an
actually separate troop for girls?  (I.e. at least meeting at a
different time or in a different room than the boys, even if sharing
some resources.) 

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6 minutes ago, Treflienne said:

I found Eagle1993's description of their local troop's plans for adding
girls very interesting.  (a girl patrol in existing troop, or a girl
troop meeting at same time/place as the boys.)

Has anyone heard, in their towns, of anyone planning on starting up an
actually separate troop for girls?  (I.e. at least meeting at a
different time or in a different room than the boys, even if sharing
some resources.) 

A bit of background (just in case you haven’t seen this already).  What has been officially announced is the girls from age 11 - 17 will form new yet to be determined groups similar to Boy Scout Troops.  Since that time there has been no official clarification from nationals. Note that the official start date for this group is 2019 but no other specifics have been given.  

I have not heard of Troops in my district making plans for Girl Troops at this time; however, I expect that to change as soon as BSA officially announces the program.

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13 hours ago, Treflienne said:

I found Eagle1993's description of their local troop's plans for adding
girls very interesting.  (a girl patrol in existing troop, or a girl
troop meeting at same time/place as the boys.)

Has anyone heard, in their towns, of anyone planning on starting up an
actually separate troop for girls?  (I.e. at least meeting at a
different time or in a different room than the boys, even if sharing
some resources.) 

Our CO has made it clear they want us to be as close to coed as possible. So, we are planning to run parallel troops with new female leaders and all girls patrols but shared meetings and outings. Our IH has volunteered to run interference with the council if needed but it looks like this model is emerging as an official model.

http://www.northernstarbsa.org/programs-for-girls

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Whether in a single gender girl troop or paired with a brother, single gender boy troop, Scouts lead and run weekly meetings,

 

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My daughter is in GSA....no plans to quit.  We have a watered-down troop.  Hardly meets.  That is simply what works for these girls now that they are all 6th graders in middle school.  They are, however, doing the minimum requirements, and they are doing them fully.

I have already expressed interest in taking on a committee position next year in our council....I was told that they need to work on the cub scout program first.  I think being involved in both of my kids troops is doable, but only as a committee member.  I prefer an active role there, rather than as ASM/SM.  I presume, however, that in the fall when there are 5th grade girls starting, those 5th grade girls will need to cross over in March 2019.  The girl troop has to be intact before that...so I would hope that my daughter can help launch the troop in 1/2019.

She plans on committing at least until she has her 1st class rank, and then decide if she wants to move to a crew or stay with the troop.  Either way, she will be one of the first generations to earn eagle, so she is tickled about that. 

She has always said that she loves the cub scout camping more than any camping experience she ever had with the GSA.  GSA is more like slumber parties with a campfire.  I think she is well-prepared and could zoom through the basics rather fast.  She knows her stuff and is willing to learn.  She can focus much better than her male peers, and loves to get dirty.  So, I am watching this thread intently.

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On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 11:14 AM, oldbuzzard said:

Our CO has made it clear they want us to be as close to coed as possible. So, we are planning to run parallel troops with new female leaders and all girls patrols but shared meetings and outings. Our IH has volunteered to run interference with the council if needed but it looks like this model is emerging as an official model.

http://www.northernstarbsa.org/programs-for-girls

 

I have heard of people discussing the same committee for both the boy troop and the girl troop.  This makes the institutional knowledge easier to set up a girl troop, which would be welcome...if there are volunteers.  The troop is going to be much more of a logistical issue than a cub scout pack! 

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