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On 12/21/2017 at 9:48 AM, WisconsinMomma said:

...Of course, missing a goal is a huge lesson, but I'm curious how often this happens, and what you think about letting kids fail...

 

It's certainly not a failure to be a scout but not reach Eagle. I think sometimes it gets equated to "failure" or "not finishing" if someone doesn't earn Eagle, but from an achievement perspective it's still years of work, commitment, and effort required just to be a scout at all. If a kid joins in 1st grade and is active into high school but doesn't reach Eagle, that's still a decade-long effort in a fantastic youth leadership organization. 

If it's a question of documenting participation in something (Johnny should finish Eagle so he can put it on his college application) a kid can (and should) still put scouting on that application form, no matter what rank they reached. I think it still is way more impressive than joining a club in high school for a year just to have something else to show on the "extra curricular activities" page. 

From a purely personal achievement perspective, there might be some regret in the future about not earning Eagle. But that's life. Lesson learned. I don't think there's anything wrong with some parental encouragement. Lord knows I needed some when I was 17 and could have very easily not finished up those last 2 merit badges and the project. But there's a big difference between providing encouragement to a scout that might just be in a motivational rut at the time, and forcing a scout to go further when they have zero desire to do so. 

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I wonder how many soldiers in the US army feel they were a failure because they didn't reach the rank of general?

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1 hour ago, Stosh said:

I wonder how many soldiers in the US army feel they were a failure because they didn't reach the rank of general?

Is that their ambition when they join? Should it be?

Is Eagle a Scout's ambition? Should it be?

 

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42 minutes ago, Chadamus said:

Is that their ambition when they join? Should it be?

Is Eagle a Scout's ambition? Should it be?

 

There are thousands of young men and women who join the military to serve their country, not earn rank.  To those I offer my deepest and most sincere appreciation.  But then there are those that feel self promotion is what the military is all about, a means to personal success, i.e. getting Eagle to jump a rank out of Basics.

It doesn't take a lot of thought for me to see the difference.  I am exposed to it all the time in Scouting.  How many young people join scouts to do their duty to God and Country and help other people at all times and how many join to make it to Eagle.  This is the rub that chafes me.

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I'm thinking the answer to your question about the Military is more than we'd like, unfortunately. Same with the rank of Eagle.

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4 hours ago, Stosh said:

How many young people join scouts to do their duty to God and Country and help other people at all times and how many join to make it to Eagle.  This is the rub that chafes me.

I think most join to have fun. Hopefully we can instill the character and purpose of duty to God and country and helping others. If they earn their Eagle, then good for them.

As for how I divide my limited time. If a Scout has a singularity of focus, I tend to divvy up more of my time first for those that focus on service, second for those that want to have fun and lastly for those whose singular focus is Eagle Scout. Fortunately, most Scouts I meet have a reasonable balance of all 3.

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On 1/15/2018 at 2:47 PM, Stosh said:

I wonder how many soldiers in the US army feel they were a failure because they didn't reach the rank of general?

Not a good analogy. There are a limited number of general positions available. There is no limit to the number of Eagles.  

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